From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MINI-PATCH: add how to turn auto-completion in test buffers off Date: Tue, 9 Apr 2024 07:22:28 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86y19t55hs.fsf@gnu.org> <86a5m856co.fsf@gnu.org> <868r1p1u21.fsf@gnu.org> <86zfu5z93q.fsf@gnu.org> <86a5m4ytzn.fsf@gnu.org> <9ABD0212-9EC4-4F3F-9E7C-46DF6ADBD451@gmail.com> <86le5nybxa.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="0000000000003cffb70615a31d48" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="24465"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Tue Apr 09 07:24:04 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3xk-0006Ad-3h for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 07:24:04 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3wj-00058B-FC; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 01:23:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3wh-00057z-NI for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 01:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x534.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::534]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1ru3wf-0000ln-To; Tue, 09 Apr 2024 01:22:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x534.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-55a179f5fa1so6002136a12.0; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 22:22:56 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1712640175; x=1713244975; darn=gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=vRRUs5hr87XBaG6g71JRAQTWkQr7nDmAHqBivDccBZ4=; b=GLsAq9Sn1VS72wtGhPdW3C7zhJosrUnmY2CKBq6zZJ9sWStXLtDdTqbo7HF5QBlAlV aFI7eByb6XDP7aVvT2mJ170p0qFcuev9EC2OQtsl4lR0ngMgPCGJTNYVE1W+c0jpJf+R ohlYj268ZPcZs9JBkcF3HfyzqWRj7MTRpEXvVZn4cJxpNQCLGMI4ZeE0XulyXV/nYBxf JfbFoQXEYRofPYDUshTBDg2NIDz2o03bSz/fbVPN8YHlsG/QxAM8z4holT9gosfJ8otp Z52dbZ2hXZ/OpjW1ppQdlQfVNedIFDGkI08qL2LfBIseno6jp8Tx4BBOiK0stD0Oxf7G Ke8Q== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712640175; x=1713244975; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=vRRUs5hr87XBaG6g71JRAQTWkQr7nDmAHqBivDccBZ4=; b=EkSZbyauYrmP/PuV7I2nmWVu+j/zw0M83a4+iw+37cVJoCaZm2lgNz56WCkeL+g5Y8 xdtEHRMfv/xEITXc+2OYO3k7QLljWsP164caiaqUjw5xx748Uv4qXY/NXJCl4N5YNnSp t/rMoPK64ZLrLFgBfQTnBionywKZD8r/VEdIQs2rnklTKngyCCTJZXEZMnyKdkdemQQo vzg0FYgOVzFwrGPQo1d7gh3EdS+9acbOj3yl0xWaHCm43UesB+2oqXoq5KB5h0vlk5VY egx21sKV1TfDYtLGEssgVBxO9XCI3akrAfCZ8yCSoZUZMfBTY7egiKFQ/UUrYlR7YmBM 9fpg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0Yw8luFrexhPUhv3Z+8uv1OjIe/RyaBVyE+vHnVjX3Y46/aQnddp qcUqpoxb0oPpJPITHb/WmUyNvJ5ZWbEzuud6NjfoK7e0PTDvrv/MyA3xrVgIYExWVsIPwdKpe6v QqJVd2r+M4qdHZ2RmGfT7vqzh46SShCh1 X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IGZgoH9kS5CHIyM5BH3xJiBDsqwEHhDkYe3As/PTaNCFq0qQ040r6DLaPrxUrahcMuog/sLJ5Omow6zpTFABAI= X-Received: by 2002:a50:9fe3:0:b0:565:a6a4:2ecc with SMTP id c90-20020a509fe3000000b00565a6a42eccmr8272896edf.2.1712640174650; Mon, 08 Apr 2024 22:22:54 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <86le5nybxa.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::534; envelope-from=paaguti@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x534.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317639 Archived-At: --0000000000003cffb70615a31d48 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Hi Eli, On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 19:57, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > > Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:56:25 +0200 > > Cc: emacs-devel > > > > > We don't have to agree: this is why you can customize Emacs to work a= s > > > you'd like. The defaults, by contrast, are set to fit what most user= s > > > want. So we will change the default only if enough people come up > > > complaining about the current default and preferably provide reasons > > > other than just annoyance. > > > > Let=E2=80=99s agree on not agreeing. I just would like you to understan= d that > it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Cannoyance=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99m trying to expres= s. I=E2=80=99m just trying to voice my > concern that this auto-completion may impact on some people's ability to > use Emacs. Concentration deficits are no joke. > > IME, these completions are more or less the de-facto standard nowadays > in many text-editing environments, so I don't think many people will > be distracted to such a great degree. I'd rather think they should > expect it. But time will tell who is right. > Maybe our backgrounds are different. I have dealt all my life with people with different degrees of ability, due to condition, age, etc. Very brilliant people, indeed, who do not shine as much as they could, because "not many people are distracted by ". Attention deficits are no joke. > > On an Emacsish plane, what puzzles me is that the only way I=E2=80=99m = able to > disable this feature is in early-init.el because the auto-completion > function is added when initializing text-mode. > > You should be able to disable it at any point, provided that you use > Customize or setopt. If this somehow doesn't work, please submit a > bug report with all the details. > I'm on it... > > > And I=E2=80=99m worried that a feature with such an impact was so littl= e > documented. > > It is documented in the same section where Text Mode is described. > But if you have suggestions for improvements in the documentation of > this feature, please send them. > BR/PA --=20 Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --0000000000003cffb70615a31d48 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Hi Eli,

On Mon, 8 Apr 2024 at 19:57, Eli Z= aretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Pedro A= ndres Aranda Gutierrez <paaguti@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 8 Apr 2024 18:56:25 +0200
> Cc: emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>
> > We don't have to agree: this is why you can customize Emacs t= o work as
> > you'd like.=C2=A0 The defaults, by contrast, are set to fit w= hat most users
> > want.=C2=A0 So we will change the default only if enough people c= ome up
> > complaining about the current default and preferably provide reas= ons
> > other than just annoyance.
>
> Let=E2=80=99s agree on not agreeing. I just would like you to understa= nd that it=E2=80=99s not =E2=80=9Cannoyance=E2=80=9D I=E2=80=99m trying to = express. I=E2=80=99m just trying to voice my concern that this auto-complet= ion may impact on some people's ability to use Emacs. Concentration def= icits are no joke.

IME, these completions are more or less the de-facto standard nowadays
in many text-editing environments, so I don't think many people will be distracted to such a great degree.=C2=A0 I'd rather think they shoul= d
expect it.=C2=A0 But time will tell who is right.

=
Maybe our backgrounds are different. I have dealt all my life wi= th people with different degrees of ability, due to condition, age, etc.
Very brilliant people, indeed, who do not shine as much as they cou= ld, because "not many people are distracted by <you name the featur= e>".
Attention deficits are no joke.
=C2=A0
> On an Emacsish pla= ne, what puzzles me is that the only way I=E2=80=99m able to disable this f= eature is in early-init.el because the auto-completion function is added wh= en initializing text-mode.

You should be able to disable it at any point, provided that you use
Customize or setopt.=C2=A0 If this somehow doesn't work, please submit = a
bug report with all the details.

I'= m on it...
=C2=A0

> And I=E2=80=99m worried that a feature with such an impact was so litt= le documented.

It is documented in the same section where Text Mode is described.
But if you have suggestions for improvements in the documentation of
this feature, please send them.

BR/PA
--
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Fragen sind nicht da, um be= antwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should r= un a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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