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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:284182 Archived-At: --000000000000233f2905d4c51120 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" If something is long-standing, I'd rather have it in init.el and leave custom.el for "experiments". Wouldn't that make interacting with emacs more dynamic/attractive to new users? /PA On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 18:30, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Robert Pluim > > Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:49:22 +0100 > > Cc: Eli Zaretskii , "emacs-devel@gnu.org" < > emacs-devel@gnu.org>, > > Stefan Kangas , > > "paaguti@gmail.com" > > > > Drew> If you want to change, to use only `custom-file' > > Drew> for `custom*' stuff, move such settings from > > Drew> your init file to your `custom-file'. (And yes, > > Drew> we should have a command that does that moving.) > > > > Making people who wish to retain long-standing behaviour set a > > variable or edit a config file for something as fundamental as loading > > and saving customizations is not something I would want, ever. The > > *only* case I can see where we could set custom-file to eg > > ~/.emacs.d/custom.el (and maybe load it automatically) is for people > > with no customizations. > > Agreed. > -- Fragen sind nicht da um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler --000000000000233f2905d4c51120 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
If something is long-standing, I'd rather have it= in init.el and leave custom.el for "experiments".
Woul= dn't that make interacting with emacs more dynamic/attractive to new us= ers?

/PA

On Tue, 4 Jan 2022 at 18:30, Eli= Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:<= br>
> From: Rober= t Pluim <rpluim@gm= ail.com>
> Date: Tue, 04 Jan 2022 17:49:22 +0100
> Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, "emacs-devel@gnu.org" <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
>=C2=A0 Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
>=C2=A0 "paa= guti@gmail.com" <paaguti@gmail.com>
>
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drew> If you want to change, to use only `custom= -file'
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drew> for `custom*' stuff, move such setting= s from
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drew> your init file to your `custom-file'.= =C2=A0 (And yes,
>=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Drew> we should have a command that does that mo= ving.)
>
> Making people who wish to retain long-standing behaviour set a
> variable or edit a config file for something as fundamental as loading=
> and saving customizations is not something I would want, ever. The
> *only* case I can see where we could set custom-file to eg
> ~/.emacs.d/custom.el (and maybe load it automatically) is for people > with no customizations.

Agreed.


--
Fragen sin= d nicht da um beantwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu= werden
Georg Kreisler
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