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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:305194 Archived-At: --00000000000003132305f8e18a72 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On 2023-04-08 09:23, David Hedlund wrote: > > > On 2023-04-08 09:20, Eli Zaretskii wrote: >>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 06:37:38 +0200 >>> From: David Hedlund >>> >>>> Which parts in your code are specific to Windows? >>> All of it, see the attached file in this email. >> ??? These variables and functions work in any GUI environment that >> Emacs supports, including GNU/Linux, any platform that runs X, macOS, >> etc. So I don't quite understand why you say this is >> Windows-specific. What did I miss? > >> It can only be used to "avoid the slightly distracting visual effect >> of Emacs starting with its default frame size and then growing to >> fullscreen" in Windows. But NOT in GNU/Linux. >> >You can use it in GNU/Linux, but it is totally useless to avoid the >slightly distracting visual effect, so it serves not point. Therefore, >it's Windows-specific. One of the things that distract me is the phrasing. It might be a 'slightly distracting visual effect' for some people, but for others not. I think a technical manual should not enter this realm and a more neutral phrasing might help. Having said this, it would be nice to explain how to minimise the number of times the Emacs window changes size at startup for as many environments as possible and have this Windows-specific point as a footnote. My .2 cents, /PA -- Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --00000000000003132305f8e18a72 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On 2023-04-08 09:23, David Hedlund w= rote:
>
>
> On 2023-04-08 09:20, Eli= Zaretskii wrote:
>>> Date: Sat, 8 Apr 2023 06:37:38 +02= 00
>>> From: David Hedlund<public@beloved.name>
>>>
&= gt;>>> Which parts in your code are specific to Windows?
>>> All of it, see the attached file in this email.
>= ;> ??? These variables and functions work in any GUI environment that
>> Emacs supports, including GNU/Linux, any platform that run= s X, macOS,
>> etc.=C2=A0 So I don't quite understand w= hy you say this is
>> Windows-specific.=C2=A0 What did I mi= ss?
>
>> It can only be used to "avoid th= e slightly distracting visual effect
>> of Emacs starting w= ith its default frame size and then growing to
>> fullscree= n" in Windows. But NOT in GNU/Linux.
>>
>= You can use it in GNU/Linux, but it is totally useless to avoid the
>slightly distracting visual effect, so it serves not point. Therefor= e,
>it's Windows-specific.

One of= the things that distract me is the phrasing. It might be a=C2=A0
'slightly distracting visual effect' for some people, but for othe= rs not.
I think a technical manual should not enter this realm an= d a more neutral phrasing
might help.

Ha= ving said this, it would be nice to explain how to minimise the number of t= imes
the Emacs window changes size at startup for as many environ= ments as possible
and have this Windows-specific point as a footn= ote.

My .2 cents, /PA
--
Fragen sind nicht da, um bea= ntwortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
= Georg Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should ru= n a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

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