From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.io!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: MINI-PATCH: add how to turn auto-completion in test buffers off Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 12:57:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <86y19t55hs.fsf@gnu.org> <86a5m856co.fsf@gnu.org> <868r1p1u21.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary="000000000000c2031406157f8f1d" Injection-Info: ciao.gmane.io; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:116.202.254.214"; logging-data="20683"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@ciao.gmane.io" Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Sun Apr 07 12:58:48 2024 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by ciao.gmane.io with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.92) (envelope-from ) id 1rtQEa-0005Fa-6B for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane-mx.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 12:58:48 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1] helo=lists1p.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rtQDs-0002ES-4c; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 06:58:04 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:470:142:3::10]) by lists.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_256_GCM_SHA384:256) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rtQDq-0002EG-I1 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 06:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ed1-x532.google.com ([2a00:1450:4864:20::532]) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.2:ECDHE_RSA_AES_128_GCM_SHA256:128) (Exim 4.90_1) (envelope-from ) id 1rtQDo-0000lh-H8; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 06:58:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ed1-x532.google.com with SMTP id 4fb4d7f45d1cf-56e480e770fso877784a12.3; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 03:57:59 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20230601; t=1712487477; x=1713092277; darn=gnu.org; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id:reply-to; bh=NNKEaj6BfjhFy4LFX59rKig/hseRuW1d+v1FoD53AkA=; b=QpSLPpSaasrBRX7UDmvjD6KSll8skJhexzc4EM/W2E+JLhFfP7L1m47sudqH1Vlkpj 1pG33kawSYTg43WHk+Gk+YjtN0CZopc10RhkBm1wcNGofNwfFt2fOPppZjnqWtWs4T8Q ZsBrNu22lk0sC497Hw16x4o3RDnW+E5X6uPE2WwiUyLhR4UizKltrLwHXfOXYcbD/F1t LPz/ah7qFlWsPH+9QeiN+A4eGWSFjRcgB5U7dwIyefk7OpodqRumjqYyKTItzud3wHn3 eA58d0WiE1dns2fSPK1GwcByeQizHM1jtx//R4jMVBmDsk8YxrPoUspj/VeUCZG/eMky OpSg== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20230601; t=1712487477; x=1713092277; h=cc:to:subject:message-id:date:from:in-reply-to:references :mime-version:x-gm-message-state:from:to:cc:subject:date:message-id :reply-to; bh=NNKEaj6BfjhFy4LFX59rKig/hseRuW1d+v1FoD53AkA=; b=FDTlWcVbDwC11hr/6SzTd4V5U2V9HntsM5pAiTxjYYDccpaC6s65o0XZDNdaNhrMTa LfqCJdjNXJ4RocIqk59Iy6j6Yd0BxER0ZHY+2ZmI0HKIQWGS2/CHMFzA0ATqYEHCZDJz dVS9pCttMNYAFs0UMX5GE2JTc0T0OC0pgYtLFgGak+2Uole0ZlOoUN1BYHK3ph/QtX8i 4QE8MLgvTIihI1yLadt+/eqVXxHwJ1Cb9xr+qEubSez7jcVhHP1Gs+zpfCsJnC+uICUs JQgHKmLbNzqTsVpQkFvj6G7XYcTvEZyUgrlj88BO6Wsb0E3J6PEEM31pUlO3u+737Gv3 gOUg== X-Gm-Message-State: AOJu0YxV1PvXFOM9X4v4JsnT1MAKNK0ZhjYpAHqY0jop6XzzwakkzsHI xxf+PXZcXtk+541lQ4VEQmz9J/SBtv8s9OzlYjJz5GFbKcZL8PfM8bgMGF8HBjZqeMX5duo0yc4 YUbYX8Fn1vDiCn4Dwm5eOJpcF4IlEm6NO X-Google-Smtp-Source: AGHT+IEVQdl84QLOe5NbacnYW18IZUxyFTDwgd/z4+Gv06fuW4yNPKzJ0Obylybj30dBL0PI0n0iRp0vJqsvtwd5u8g= X-Received: by 2002:a50:a45d:0:b0:56b:8cbb:3695 with SMTP id v29-20020a50a45d000000b0056b8cbb3695mr4123768edb.8.1712487477147; Sun, 07 Apr 2024 03:57:57 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <868r1p1u21.fsf@gnu.org> Received-SPF: pass client-ip=2a00:1450:4864:20::532; envelope-from=paaguti@gmail.com; helo=mail-ed1-x532.google.com X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.29 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:317585 Archived-At: --000000000000c2031406157f8f1d Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Answers inline, Best, /PA On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 at 10:00, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierrez > > Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 08:32:14 +0200 > > Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > Is there any conceptual difference between providing > flyspell/ispell-mode and providing > > auto-complete suggestions in text mode? > > Yes, there is: auto-complete suggestions happen _before_ you type, > whereas Flyspell happens _after_ you type. > But is that enough to make the activation/deactivation process so different? I mean. currently, if you want flyspell-mode for a specific mode, you add ``` (flyspell-mode 1) ``` to the hook function with the rest of the customisations for that mode. Now, for auto-complete it goes the other way round... you need to add code to disable it and that is confusing (al4m). > > I personally don't think so and would like a more > > thorough discussion on this. That we want Emacs to have as many features > as modern text processors > > provide is something that I strongly support. That we want all these > features to be activated by default in > > text mode merits much more debate. And that we want some and some not is > confusing... > > We already discussed that before installing the feature, but feel free > to start another discussion. > I missed it... (bad memories from the time when it took place) but yes, I'd like to be convinced why this feature needs to be activated by default. Thx, /PA -- Fragen sind nicht da, um beantwortet zu werden, Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden Georg Kreisler Headaches with a Juju log: unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet --000000000000c2031406157f8f1d Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
Answers inline,
Best, /PA

On Sun, 7 Apr 2024 at 10:00, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Pedro Andres Aranda Gutierr= ez <paaguti@gmail= .com>
> Date: Sun, 7 Apr 2024 08:32:14 +0200
> Cc: emacs-dev= el@gnu.org
>
> Is there any conceptual difference between providing flyspell/ispell-m= ode and providing
> auto-complete suggestions in text mode?

Yes, there is: auto-complete suggestions happen _before_ you type,
whereas Flyspell happens _after_ you type.
But is that= enough to make the activation/deactivation process so different?
=
I mean. currently, if you want flyspell-mode for a specific mode, you= =C2=A0
add=C2=A0
```
(flyspell-mode 1)
<= div>```
to the hook function with the rest of the customisations = for that mode.
Now, for auto-complete it goes the other way round= ... you need to add code
to disable it and that is confusing (al4= m).
> I personall= y don't think so and would like a more
> thorough discussion on this. That we want Emacs to have as many featur= es as modern text processors
> provide is something that I strongly support. That we want all these f= eatures to be activated by default in
> text mode merits much more debate. And that we want some and some not = is confusing...

We already discussed that before installing the feature, but feel free
to start another discussion.
=C2=A0
I misse= d it... (bad memories from the time when it took place) but yes, I'd li= ke to be convinced why this feature
needs to be activated by default.

Thx, /PA
--
Fragen sind nicht da, um beant= wortet zu werden,
Fragen sind da um gestellt zu werden
Ge= org Kreisler

Headaches with a Juju log:
= unit-basic-16: 09:17:36 WARNING juju.worker.uniter.operation we should run = a leader-deposed hook here, but we can't yet

<= /div>
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