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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324575 Archived-At: --00000000000002d507062473efa1 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 9:50=E2=80=AFAM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: chad > > Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:39:31 -0400 > > Cc: Joost Kremers , petterih@iki.fi, > emacs-devel@gnu.org > > > > ..which is the (expected) Commentary section of lisp/net/dictionary.el > > > > This is from a recent HEAD build, but I get the same with a prebuilt > > binary of 30.0.90 under win11 (although it's harder for me to be sure > > that I passed '-Q' correctly). > > Also, list-packages doesn't show 'dictionary', neither on MS-Windows > nor on GNU/Linux, at least in "emacs -Q". If it does for you, I'm > guessing you have stuff under ~/.emacs.d/elpa/. > We are seeing different behavior. I get completions for both dictionary and dictionary-connection with literally no .emacs, .emacs.d. I also get it with a newly created user with nothing related to emacs in $HOME or env. I also get the same result under win11, although my confidence that the environment there is "poisoned" is much lower. I just repeated this again with a blank user/environment and the invocation= : $ /opt/emacs/bin/emacs-31.0.50 -q --no-site-file --no-site-lisp In the resulting emacs, there is no elpa directory of .emacs.d either befor= e or after 'C-h P dict TAB RET' brings up the *Help* buffer with the package commentary from the built-in lisp/net/dictionary.el, and after that emacs i= s closed, there is still only an eln-cache directory in it's just-created .emacs.d. Hope this helps, ~Chad --00000000000002d507062473efa1 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable


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On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 9:50=E2=80=AF= AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> w= rote:
> From:= chad <yandros@gm= ail.com>
> Date: Sun, 13 Oct 2024 21:39:31 -0400
> Cc: Joost Kremers <joostkremers@fastmail.fm>, petterih@iki.fi, emacs-devel@gnu.org
>
> ..which is the (expected) Commentary section of lisp/net/dictionary.el=
>
> This is from a recent HEAD build, but I get the same with a prebuilt > binary of 30.0.90 under win11 (although it's harder for me to be s= ure
> that I passed '-Q' correctly).

Also, list-packages doesn't show 'dictionary', neither on MS-Wi= ndows
nor on GNU/Linux, at least in "emacs -Q".=C2=A0 If it does for yo= u, I'm
guessing you have stuff under ~/.emacs.d/elpa/.

We are seeing different behavior.

I get c= ompletions for both dictionary and=C2=A0dictionary-connection with literall= y no
.emacs, .emacs.d. I also get it with a newly created user wi= th nothing related
to emacs in $HOME or env. I also get the same = result under win11, although
my confidence that the environment t= here is "poisoned" is much lower.

I just= repeated this again with a blank user/environment and the invocation:
=C2=A0=C2=A0$ /opt/emacs/bin/emacs-31.0.50 -q --no-site-file --no-sit= e-lisp
In the resulting emacs, there is no elpa directory of .ema= cs.d either before
or after 'C-h P dict TAB RET' brings u= p the *Help* buffer with the package
commentary from the built-in= lisp/net/dictionary.el, and after that emacs is
closed, there is= still only an eln-cache directory in it's just-created .emacs.d.
=

Hope this helps,
~Chad

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