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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:250667 Archived-At: --000000000000032cff05a5de9a40 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:31 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Dmitry Gutov > > Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:09:15 +0300 > > > > On 16.05.2020 10:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > > @@ -3479,7 +3479,10 @@ There are other, non-GNU, Emacs Lisp package > servers, including: > > > @uref{https://marmalade-repo.org, Marmalade}. To use additional > > > > Should we also remove the mention of Marmalade altogether? > > I don't have an opinion about this. We should probably ask users. [...] > IMHO, we should remove the mention of Marmalade. Marmalade is unsupported enough that it causes security warnings due to its certificate having expired. Attempting to visit the web page will generate various scary error messages in basically every browser (including eww), and the EmacsWiki page on it has this to say: Marmalade was an ELPA > compatible package repository that > allowed users to upload their own packages. Package maintainers did not > have to be the same as the maintainers of the original code. This is > somewhat like major GNU/Linux distributions. > The repository had availability problems and is now discontinued. > Hope that helps, ~Chad --000000000000032cff05a5de9a40 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Sat, May 16, 2020 at 7:31 PM Eli Zaret= skii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Dmitry Guto= v <dgutov@yandex.r= u>
> Date: Sat, 16 May 2020 23:09:15 +0300
>
> On 16.05.2020 10:32, Eli Zaretskii wrote:
> > @@ -3479,7 +3479,10 @@ There are other, non-GNU, Emacs Lisp packa= ge servers, including:
> >=C2=A0 =C2=A0@uref{https://marmalade-repo.org, Marmalade}.=C2= =A0 To use additional
>
> Should we also remove the mention of Marmalade altogether?

I don't have an opinion about this.=C2=A0 We should probably ask users.= [...]

IMHO, we should remove the menti= on of Marmalade.

Marmalade is unsupported enough= =C2=A0that it causes security warnings due to its certificate having expire= d. Attempting to visit the web page will generate various scary error messa= ges in basically every browser (including eww), and the EmacsWiki page on i= t has this to say:

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