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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:304756 Archived-At: --000000000000b77fb505f7a917cc Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" I fear that this discussion might have veered too far into theoretical territory for some of the conversants, and probably not the _same_ theoretical territory for everyone. With that in mind, I *think* that what Lynn Winebarger is asking for might be best answered by: Try digging into the package-quickstart part of package, especially > p-q-refresh and p-q-maybe-refresh. On the other hand, I think that the best answer to "should emacs-devel actually care about loading scads of packages" might be: There seem to be a lot of (potential) emacs users, especially in the > "interested but not already heavily enfranchised subset", that make use of > emacs "distributions", and that model would probably benefit from > improvements to "loading scads of packages". This doesn't answer the "should" question, but I think it provides a closer-to-real-practice basis for consideration. Hope that helps, ~Chad --000000000000b77fb505f7a917cc Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I fear that this discussion might have veered too far into= theoretical=C2=A0territory for some of the conversants, and probably not t= he _same_ theoretical territory=C2=A0for everyone. With that in mind, I *th= ink* that what Lynn Winebarger is asking for might be best answered by:=C2= =A0

Try dig= ging into the package-quickstart part of package, especially p-q-refresh an= d p-q-maybe-refresh.

On the other hand, I t= hink that the best answer to "should emacs-devel actually care about l= oading scads of packages" might be:

There seem to be a lot of (potential) e= macs users, especially in the "interested but not already heavily enfr= anchised subset", that make use of emacs "distributions", an= d that model would probably benefit from improvements to "loading scad= s of packages".=C2=A0

This doesn't= answer the "should" question, but I think it provides a closer-t= o-real-practice basis for consideration.

Hope that= helps,
~Chad
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