From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>,
EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Always-true predicate?
Date: Mon, 22 Feb 2021 15:07:37 -0800 [thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO2hHWYQEWU5RNq6gDpLGvoC39mR_49U752tL4yrsRQtX+C70A@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83im6kw2lv.fsf@gnu.org>
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On Mon, Feb 22, 2021 at 7:21 AM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> > From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
> > Date: Sun, 21 Feb 2021 21:02:43 -0800
> > Cc: Robert Pluim <rpluim@gmail.com>, Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>,
> Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org>,
> > EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
> >
> > I suspect that I ran into an instance of this recently, where the
> helpful package (an extension that offers
> > expanded help functions, basically) had trouble in it's helpful-callable
> function with facemenu-face-menu. I
> > tracked the problem down to a bad interaction in helpful with this code
> in facemenu.el:
> >
> > (defvar facemenu-face-menu
> > [...])
> > (defalias 'facemenu-face-menu facemenu-face-menu)
> >
> > The problem that I get is:
> >
> > Debugger entered--Lisp error: (wrong-type-argument sequencep t)
> > mapconcat(identity (t) " ")
> > s-join(" " (t))
> > helpful--signature(facemenu-face-menu)
> > helpful-update()
> > helpful-callable(facemenu-face-menu)
> > funcall-interactively(helpful-callable facemenu-face-menu)
> > call-interactively(helpful-callable nil nil)
> > command-execute(helpful-callable)
> >
> > I'm not familiar with the (defalias 'foo foo) idiom, so maybe it should
> be expected to work, and it's just a bug
> > in helpful. (I reported it to the package maintainers already, with a
> note that I'd mention it here.) There are a
> > few other instances of in emacs that I found with a quick search, and
> they also cause similar trouble for
> > helpful.
> >
> > Is this an example of an accidental functional value, as I originally
> expected, or am I barking up the wrong
> > tree and instead just looking at a parsing bug? (My lisp is largely self
> taught and started with Scheme, so
> > these parts of elisp are murky to me.)
>
> I think it's a bug in helpful: facemenu-face-menu is a keymap, so
> maybe helpful isn't ready for that.
>
Good point; I didn't (but should have) say: the issue, I think, is that the
use of defalias makes helpful-callable think that facemenu-face-menu is a
"viable callable", when it isn't. This doesn't mean that it's not a bug in
helpful, of course; I'm just trying to understand if the bug is that
helpful should be able to tell that facemenu-face-menu isn't "callable".
Here's the start of helpful-callable, fwiw:
(defun helpful-callable (symbol)
> "Show help for function, macro or special form named SYMBOL.
>
See also `helpful-macro', `helpful-function' and `helpful-command'."
> (interactive
> (list (helpful--read-symbol
> "Callable: "
> (helpful--callable-at-point)
> #'fboundp)))
helpful--read-symbol seems to be a simple porcelain around completing-read
with, in this case, #'fboundp as the predicate. That said, I'm not sure if
this is just a bug in helpful being confused by the idiom with defalias,
via the function-value usage you mentioned upthread.
Thanks,
~Chad
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2021-02-17 12:01 Always-true predicate? Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 12:31 ` Andrea Corallo via Emacs development discussions.
2021-02-17 12:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 16:59 ` Barry Fishman
2021-02-19 15:24 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-17 13:16 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-17 18:56 ` Pip Cet
2021-02-17 19:19 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 19:31 ` Pip Cet
2021-02-17 19:37 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-17 20:18 ` Teemu Likonen
2021-02-17 22:25 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-17 23:04 ` Basil L. Contovounesios
2021-02-17 23:13 ` Drew Adams
2021-02-17 23:01 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-19 11:27 ` Pip Cet
2021-02-19 15:07 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-19 19:04 ` Pip Cet
2021-02-19 20:11 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 9:40 ` Pip Cet
2021-02-20 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-19 5:39 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-19 8:52 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-19 9:10 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 12:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-19 13:00 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 13:34 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 13:40 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 13:53 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 14:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 18:04 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-19 14:42 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 12:47 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 12:49 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:03 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 14:20 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 14:55 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-20 15:05 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-20 15:21 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-02-21 12:50 ` Robert Pluim
2021-02-21 13:04 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-02-19 15:09 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-02-19 15:22 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-19 18:17 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-02-19 18:41 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-22 5:02 ` chad
2021-02-22 15:20 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-02-22 23:07 ` chad [this message]
2021-02-21 6:12 ` Richard Stallman
2021-02-21 15:12 ` Eli Zaretskii
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