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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::b29 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:247729 Archived-At: --00000000000089d12505a411377f Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > Date: Fri, 24 Apr 2020 18:53:56 +0000 > > From: ndame > > Cc: Drew Adams , Eli Zaretskii , > > =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 , > > EMACS development team > > > > Pretty nice and well put together. It really should be linked from > > the startup screen. > > It's already there. > I checked again with emacs -q on a fresh build from this morning. The default starting text is below, but it doesn't seem to include it. I also checked the default Help menu, where I thought that it had once been included, but didn't find it there, either. Maybe I got removed at some point? Welcome to GNU Emacs, one component of the GNU/Linux operating system. > To follow a link, click Mouse-1 on it, or move to it and type RET. > To quit a partially entered command, type Control-g. > Important Help menu items: > Emacs Tutorial Learn basic Emacs keystroke commands > Read the Emacs Manual View the Emacs manual using Info > (Non)Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY > Copying Conditions Conditions for redistributing and changing Emacs > More Manuals / Ordering Manuals How to order printed manuals from the FS= F > Useful tasks: > Visit New File Specify a new file=E2=80=99s name, to edit the file > Open Home Directory Open your home directory, to operate on its files > Customize Startup Change initialization settings including this screen > GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5, cairo > version 1.16.0) > of 2020-04-24 > Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc. > --00000000000089d12505a411377f Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Fri, Apr 24, 2020 at 12:25 PM Eli Zare= tskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> Date: Fri, 24 Ap= r 2020 18:53:56 +0000
> From: ndame <ndame@protonmail.com>
> Cc: Drew Adams <drew.adams@oracle.com>, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
>=C2=A0 =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 <pcr910303@icloud.com>,
>=C2=A0 EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>
> Pretty nice and well put together. It really should be linked from
> the startup screen.

It's already there.

I checked again= with=C2=A0emacs -q on a fresh build from this morning. The default startin= g text is below, but it doesn't seem to include it. I also checked the = default Help menu, where I thought that it had once been included, but didn= 't find it there, either. Maybe I got removed at some point?
=
Welcome to GNU = Emacs, one component of the GNU/Linux operating system.
To follow a link= , click Mouse-1 on it, or move to it and type RET.
To quit a partially e= ntered command, type Control-g.
=C2=A0
Important Help menu items:
Emacs Tutorial Learn basic = Emacs keystroke commands
Read the Emacs Manual View the Emacs manual usi= ng Info
(Non)Warranty GNU Emacs comes with ABSOLUTELY NO WARRANTY
Co= pying Conditions Conditions for redistributing and changing Emacs
More M= anuals / Ordering Manuals =C2=A0How to order printed manuals from the FSF
=C2=A0
Useful tasks:Visit New File Specify a new file=E2=80=99s name, to edit the file
Ope= n Home Directory Open your home directory, to operate on its files
Custo= mize Startup Change initialization settings including this screen
=C2=A0
GNU Emacs 28.0.50 (build= 2, x86_64-pc-linux-gnu, GTK+ Version 3.24.5, cairo version 1.16.0)
=C2= =A0of 2020-04-24
Copyright (C) 2020 Free Software Foundation, Inc.
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