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From: chad <yandros@gmail.com>
To: Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	EMACS development team <emacs-devel@gnu.org>,
	Stefan Kangas <stefankangas@gmail.com>,
	Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Subject: Re: Tick Reduction
Date: Mon, 22 Nov 2021 15:26:26 -0800	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO2hHWYBf0eSPsYNrV6LTbQXk2T6FjLY1cSdL_sbx6N+bvgbuQ@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <87h7c5jmbg.fsf@gnus.org>

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On Sun, Nov 21, 2021 at 12:18 PM Lars Ingebrigtsen <larsi@gnus.org> wrote:

> Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> writes:
>
> > They are numbers, so they can change the width because different
> > digits have different width.
>
> No, they don't (in the vast majority of proportional fonts).
>

You're both right.

More specifically, the details are more complicated than it might appear.
When typesetting numbers, there's a feature called "tabular figures" that
uses alternative glyphs to make everything line up in columns. This applies
to proportion fonts even if the "normal" numerals aren't the same width (or
the same size), and can be extended to include number-related glyphs that
are likely to appear in tabular layouts, such as making things like
"12345", "(234)", "-2345", "$2345", "1234%", etc. always be the same width.
A similar feature makes tabular figures the same size in bold, italic, and
roman scripts.

Wikipedia has some details here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Typeface#Typesetting_numbers
Another potentially useful reference:
https://www.fonts.com/content/learning/fontology/level-3/numbers/proportional-vs-tabular-figures

I can certainly imagine situations where emacs might want each of these
options. I think that this conversation is suggesting that the mode-line
mostly wants tabular figures, and I can imagine something similar in, as an
example, dired buffers.

Hope that helps,
~Chad

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  parent reply	other threads:[~2021-11-22 23:26 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 167+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2021-11-18 20:37 Tick Reduction Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-18 21:01 ` Perry E. Metzger
2021-11-19  5:25   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-18 21:23 ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-11-19  5:27   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  6:31     ` Michael Welsh Duggan
2021-11-19  6:50     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  7:05       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  8:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  8:30           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-20  8:01             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20  9:07               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 15:11             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 17:16               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 17:24                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 17:39                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 18:00                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 18:15                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 18:25                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 18:33                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 19:31                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 19:34                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 19:36                               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 19:41                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 19:49                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 19:53                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 20:07                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 20:17                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 20:26                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 20:30                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 20:31                                           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22  8:19                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 14:45                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-22 14:50                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 17:21                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-22 18:35                                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-23 10:15                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-23 13:41                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-23 13:49                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-23 14:19                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-23 14:32                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-23 14:43                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 11:07                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 14:20                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 16:28                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 17:05                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 17:10                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 17:41                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 17:50                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 18:39                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 18:44                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 19:00                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 13:02                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 12:58                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 13:28                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 14:29                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 15:10                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-26 12:12                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-26 12:43                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 18:41                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 18:53                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-24 22:32                                                                                 ` Yuan Fu
2021-11-25  7:34                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-26 17:03                                                                                     ` Yuan Fu
2021-11-26 18:41                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-26 18:54                                                                                         ` Yuan Fu
2021-11-26 18:57                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 13:06                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 14:02                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 14:07                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 14:12                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 14:16                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-25 15:04                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-26 12:09                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-26 12:56                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-27 14:15                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-27 14:51                                                                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 13:40                                                                                                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-29 13:53                                                                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 14:00                                                                                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-29 14:06                                                                                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 14:15                                                                                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-29 14:17                                                                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 14:35                                                                                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-29 15:06                                                                                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 23:10                                               ` Feng Shu
2021-11-25  7:42                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-25 11:52                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 23:26                                       ` chad [this message]
2021-11-21 20:10                                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 20:22                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 20:28                                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 20:41                                         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 21:13                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 20:42                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 21:12                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-22 11:22                                             ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 14:52                                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-22 14:55                                                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 18:04                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  8:33         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  8:39           ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  8:48             ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 10:00               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19 10:28               ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 12:41                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 13:04                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 13:18                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 13:41                       ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 13:48                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21 13:35                           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 10:28             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-20  8:43               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-20  9:03                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20  9:26                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-20  9:51                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20  9:56                       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-20 10:11                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-21  8:57               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21  9:02                 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 13:36                   ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-21 19:26                     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 13:54             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-21 15:25               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-21 19:28                 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-21 19:31                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-22 14:57         ` Use variable-pitch face in more places Stefan Kangas
2021-11-22 15:05           ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-22 17:22           ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-22 18:10             ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-22 18:40               ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-23  9:56               ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24  9:12                 ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-24 16:52                   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-24 17:59                     ` Juri Linkov
2021-11-19  7:48       ` Tick Reduction Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 13:41         ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 11:58     ` Dmitry Gutov
2021-11-18 22:18 ` [External] : " Drew Adams
2021-11-21 10:17   ` Phil Sainty
2021-11-19  5:48 ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  7:24   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  7:28     ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  8:26       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  8:33         ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  6:42 ` Eric S Fraga
2021-11-19  7:30   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  6:52 ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  7:26   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  7:59     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19  8:17       ` Lars Ingebrigtsen
2021-11-19  8:09   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19  8:34     ` Stefan Kangas
2021-11-19 13:58 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-19 14:46   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 18:22     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-19 18:53       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 19:24         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-19 19:50           ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-19 21:09             ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-20  6:34               ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20 13:11                 ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-20 13:32                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20 14:06                     ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-20 14:35                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2021-11-20 15:01                         ` Stefan Monnier
2021-11-20  9:00   ` Lars Ingebrigtsen

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