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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:324587 Archived-At: --0000000000008992a706247d40ff Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 8:46=E2=80=AFPM Michael Heerdegen via Emacs develop= ment discussions. > > We are seeing different behavior. > > I see that lisp/finder-inf.el defines 'dictionary' as a built-in package > in my Emacs installation. This file is loaded when doing C-h P. It > directly sets `package--builtins'. > > Maybe that file's contents differ for you and Eli? > Yep, good spot! On both my regular linux laptop (with frequently rebuilt head) and on a borrowed win11 install of emacs 30, I see lines in finder-inf.el for both dictionary and dictionary-connection. Tracing through the function finder-compile-keywords in finder.el, I suspect that *maybe* this is an artifact of Eli running directly out of the build tree? ~Chad --0000000000008992a706247d40ff Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

On Mon, Oct 14, 2024 at 8:46=E2=80=AFPM M= ichael Heerdegen via Emacs development discussions.=C2=A0
> We are seeing different behavior.

I see that lisp/finder-inf.el defines 'dictionary' as a built-in pa= ckage
in my Emacs installation.=C2=A0 This file is loaded when doing C-h P.=C2=A0= It
directly sets `package--builtins'.

Maybe that file's contents differ for you and Eli?

Yep, good spot!

On both my regular= linux laptop (with frequently rebuilt head) and on
a borrowed win11 ins= tall of emacs 30, I see lines in finder-inf.el for
both dictionary and d= ictionary-connection. Tracing through the
function=C2=A0finder-compile-k= eywords in finder.el, I suspect that *maybe*
this is an=C2=A0artifact of= Eli running=C2=A0directly out of the build tree?

<= div>~Chad
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