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From: "Tor-björn Claesson" <tclaesson@gmail.com>
To: Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>
Cc: Juri Linkov <juri@linkov.net>,
	emacs-devel@gnu.org, emacs-orgmode@gnu.org
Subject: Re: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark?
Date: Sun, 22 Dec 2024 14:16:20 +0200	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CAO0k7009_Kpr28W9h6aMpgaQUb_MxCktKdMPaMTtRoB61rK95g@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
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Hi!

Thanks all for the great discussion!

Just so I understand: we are talking about simple cases of offering
multiple actions (possibly on objects),
and not more complex things such as the export menu, with async options etc?

> Tentatively, I am thinking about the following:
>
> For a given Emacs "prefix" command (e.g. org-open-at-point), we define a
> set of customizations:
>
> 1. List of possible actions: ((name1 . action1 props) (name2 . action2
...) ...)
>    PROPS is a plist defining extra properties like key-binding, display
>    string, maybe something else to be used in the future.
> 2. Menu interface to use (transient, context-menu, embark, which-key)
> 3. Layout settings for the specific interfaces. For example, transient
>    layout definition.

Do we need 3? Could we decide on a way to specify layout properties in
props?
We could have e.g. a group name which would translate to a transient column.

The citation follower prototype works similarly to right click menus of
mainstream desktop environments - i.e. it allows the user to optionally
select an alternative action while providing a default.
You "right click" by -4 prefix, and can also invert this behavior to show
the menu by default, and invoking the default action if called with a -4
prefix.

Den mån 16 dec. 2024 kl 20:06 skrev Ihor Radchenko <yantar92@posteo.net>:

>
> Yeah. I am not 100% sure if adding an abstraction layer is a great idea.
> Another idea I was considering is similar to what you propose: have some
> kind of hook like `context-menu-functions', but accepting an extra
> argument - menu type (context menu, transient, which-key, etc.). Then, it
> should produce appropriate menu spec.
>
> However, this will require Elisp to customize things. Also not ideal.
>

My naive take:

Should we make a macro for creating this kind of simple menu? It would take
a name, a docstring, parameters passed to the action, a default action
name, and a default list of actions.

It would then create
1. a function that invokes the menu, passing the parameters.
2. a customization group with options for:
2.1. the actions list.
2.2. the default action.
2.3. whether to show menu by default (or by -4 prefix)
2.4. the menu system to invoke (default transient)?
3. a transient menu.

Does this sound reasonable? I probably miss something. I would be happy to
try to make this, but am a bit swamped with the holidays, so it would have
to wait a bit.

Cheers,
Tor-björn

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2024-12-13 18:41                                         ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:09                                           ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14  9:57                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:59                                               ` Gabriel Santos
2024-12-14 13:10                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-13 22:57                                           ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  9:59                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 14:30                                               ` Suhail Singh
2024-12-14  1:16                                           ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Panayotis Manganaris
2024-12-14 10:08                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-15 21:20                                               ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-16 17:54                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-17  2:08                                                   ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17  2:24                                                     ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-17 18:04                                                     ` Transient: accessibility problems for users who need to use large fonts (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-18  7:19                                                       ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:52                                                         ` Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-19  1:42                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-19  1:50                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 17:59                                                         ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-19  1:48                                                           ` Samuel Wales
2024-12-18 10:47                                                     ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Jonas Bernoulli
2024-12-19 17:42                                                       ` Internal variables and symbols in transient (was: [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?)) Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-19 18:11                                                       ` Alternative defaults for visually impaired users? " Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22  4:49                                                         ` Richard Stallman
2024-12-22  9:29                                                           ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 12:25                                                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-22 18:17                                                               ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 18:54                                                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
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2024-12-23 13:47                                                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2024-12-23 16:47                                                                       ` Ihor Radchenko
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2024-12-24  9:23                                                                     ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:50                                           ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? indieterminacy
2024-12-14 17:53                                           ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-15  9:07                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-16  7:46                                               ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-16 18:06                                                 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-22 12:16                                                   ` Tor-björn Claesson [this message]
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2024-12-24  7:04                                                       ` Juri Linkov
2024-12-24 11:39                                                         ` Tor-björn Claesson
2024-12-15 18:23                                           ` Kierin Bell
2024-12-17 17:23                                             ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14  0:37 [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? (was: Fwd: Org-cite: Replace basic follow-processor with transient menu?) Psionic K
2024-12-14  9:48 ` Ihor Radchenko
2024-12-14 10:12   ` [RFC] The best way to choose an "action" at point: context-menu-mode, transient, which-key or embark? Philip Kaludercic

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