From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Josh Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:00:12 -0800 Message-ID: References: <20140102095347.6834E381D0C@snark.thyrsus.com> <87fvp6bdd9.fsf_-_@ktab.red-bean.com> <83wqiixqbb.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102172804.GB13245@thyrsus.com> <83vby2xo6x.fsf@gnu.org> <20140102183432.GB13506@thyrsus.com> <83sit6xgfg.fsf@gnu.org> <8761q18kni.fsf@thinkpad.tsdh.org> <838uuxxsxu.fsf@gnu.org> <83wqihw42f.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=ISO-8859-1 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388800852 13560 80.91.229.3 (4 Jan 2014 02:00:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 4 Jan 2014 02:00:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: esr@thyrsus.com, kfogel@red-bean.com, Eli Zaretskii , emacs-devel , tsdh@gnu.org To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Jan 04 03:00:58 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzGXp-0006QQ-O8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 04 Jan 2014 03:00:57 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:52850 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzGXp-0007nR-Cf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:00:57 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44622) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzGXh-0007fu-84 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:00:53 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzGXc-0000xk-Ey for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:00:49 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-f53.google.com ([74.125.82.53]:53866) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzGXc-0000xP-8L for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 21:00:44 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id k14so14144415wgh.20 for ; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:00:42 -0800 (PST) X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20130820; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:sender:in-reply-to:references:from :date:message-id:subject:to:cc:content-type; bh=3rYdyd36eUpIGs1qSvk3IFCe390EgPN8goLYm79DUGI=; b=WscVRB8GNBRULGXKAla9/6LWZK9dvRCtoa092cZ7ooeOZGUv6N1k1VspNIU62Ef/Cy DA8CuIjtHOWqQE4RyjcaVvVzNj0N0zQZhiI2DLRF1K4xMyvZmzonvFOvdz/2LeLAmY4K R1x2zFNfBWDnqcSsnRhCOnn+J+tpMzki6loL4Ew0w9cO2nxlq5g/ccKzs4ldDXnnfb4I bsnDQAgDGGez8c3wupqqsGAwXvTZJZCNJ77CxXRMeN6gBAmf4sTvP8Kk76i9xhwW5Wbu CTJ+xzj6EpqlX5OWPYJSZdVKVFo1ai6EWxPbkcZe0smoho2sV1xm+Qziol7nV8EW4up4 Bj/w== X-Gm-Message-State: ALoCoQm6gT8i6XswcTrAdnBmLZl8WQEAmEFvI7awXR8HNFrbv5dm62tVHAqWih2ouBogNTEfxEyc X-Received: by 10.180.206.138 with SMTP id lo10mr4034432wic.25.1388800842810; Fri, 03 Jan 2014 18:00:42 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.24.7 with HTTP; Fri, 3 Jan 2014 18:00:12 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-Google-Sender-Auth: Iksbvnwy5Rc8guzy6kKzoqYv04c X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: GNU/Linux 2.2.x-3.x [generic] [fuzzy] X-Received-From: 74.125.82.53 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167244 Archived-At: On Fri, Jan 3, 2014 at 11:49 AM, Stefan Monnier wrote: >>> I think getting new blood into emacs devel is critical or we might find >>> ourselves in the same situation as bzr a few years later. >> I agree about the need, but have my doubts about the results. We've >> heard similar arguments for switching from CVS, too. I hope I will be >> proven wrong. > > Using Git won't magically give us any new blood. But using Bzr is > a hindrance. Indeed, that removing hindrances to becoming a contributor should result in new contributors is not magic, but common sense. > A few years ago, users seemed happy to use Hg for one > project, Git for another, DaRCS for yet a third, etc.... I suspect that in those days, as now, users decided whether or not to invest the time to learn a new tool based mainly on their assessment of the likely payoff of the investment. Given Git's present dominance[0] and the attendant benefits from network effects, it's no surprise that a bias has emerged among users that did not exist a few short years ago. > Nowadays most users complain when they have to learn another tool. Tsk, can you believe these kids today?! ;) [0] http://qa.debian.org/popcon-graph.php?packages=cvs+git+bzr+mercurial+darcs+subversion+rcs++&show_vote=on&want_percent=on&want_legend=on&want_ticks=on&from_date=2008-01-01&to_date=2014-01-30&hlght_date=&date_fmt=%25Y&beenhere=1