From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:03:56 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <87ppbqb6s1.fsf@gnu.org> <87h9x2f9me.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87a92uf8ik.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <8761dif6ib.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4qddwd5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04da6f8800d050a03afef X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418385858 31802 80.91.229.3 (12 Dec 2014 12:04:18 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Fri, 12 Dec 2014 12:04:18 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Dec 12 13:04:12 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOx7-0002P8-1E for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 13:04:09 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:56743 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOx6-0001fX-JH for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:04:08 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:32966) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOx2-0001fR-2q for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:04:05 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOx1-0005yp-5o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:04:04 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x236.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::236]:57738) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XzOwv-0005vR-Rp; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 07:03:58 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f54.google.com with SMTP id l2so8969701wgh.27 for ; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:03:57 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=UGtuoqmMxBwqwhs6YuEju4y1oZ0azWjtUDs5LyO4EI8=; b=odj5GeUmmtBHmjnuaqlIMo2ypSuFd2761TvVUhnSNAuwd4X3XlgwJrRV5jq3BhEgfH ivJNUyfYhzjmJB6gFFzilDlvqQGgtK4N28rhwSJXbpmE/3XYMIkZHkCuI+pRzb32a+4D ikfaYuzj3LOaGRKQ7Jxz58TKRbQicmFlYg1AuWRZSLSWhlyPH/4JZIlqtxXTArpyeIwE j5oyhUZzphtjhhYiyftZOFlA377bCAQxZYQJn2qEH7kh6BzGeT61OGFPhevKifMzPOzW QKeX8FNn1NX9a1c8yK2dEfXmg3/YPns5P5HkVvfmm/ZX0PPglF7sCP4uU5Sra1AwV2Ue 8ffA== X-Received: by 10.194.93.5 with SMTP id cq5mr25647018wjb.84.1418385837029; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:03:57 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:03:56 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Fri, 12 Dec 2014 04:03:56 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y4qddwd5.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::236 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179892 Archived-At: --047d7bb04da6f8800d050a03afef Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Dec 12, 2014 10:57 AM, "David Kastrup" wrote: > > > OpenSearchServer (based on Apache Lucene) is very flexible. Maybe you > > can't get exactly the incremental search that Info uses now, but you > > can get a list of suggestions for every character you type. You can > > customize that list. > > > > And Info does not have a search capability that is close to the usual > > web search (implicit) AND operator. > > > > But there is more you can use, like searching in fields (if the > > documents are structured with some fields, of course). > > So the argument is that a huge flexible heap of complex technology > should make users just as happy as straightforward simple working > functionality. No. The point is to try to give new users something they are familiar with. It must of course also be good. If you do that you may save their time. --047d7bb04da6f8800d050a03afef Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8

On Dec 12, 2014 10:57 AM, "David Kastrup" <dak@gnu.org> wrote:
>

> > OpenSearchServer (based on Apache Lucene) is very flexible. Maybe you
> > can't get exactly the incremental search that Info uses now, but you
> > can get a list of suggestions for every character you type. You can
> > customize that list.
> >
> > And Info does not have a search capability that is close to the usual
> > web search (implicit) AND operator.
> >
> > But there is more you can use, like searching in fields (if the
> > documents are structured with some fields, of course).
>
> So the argument is that a huge flexible heap of complex technology
> should make users just as happy as straightforward simple working
> functionality.

No. The point is to try to give new users something they are familiar with.

It must of course also be good.

If you do that you may save their time.

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