From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:29:18 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87li2o7onv.fsf@zigzag.favinet> <87fvswvimm.fsf@yandex.ru> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80eaaf4fb004e6fd162c X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379874595 11530 80.91.229.3 (22 Sep 2013 18:29:55 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 22 Sep 2013 18:29:55 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Thien-Thi Nguyen , Emacs-Devel devel , "Pascal J. Bourguignon" To: Dmitry Gutov Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Sep 22 20:29:58 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNoPs-0003hF-AA for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:29:56 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36245 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNoPr-0005aD-SN for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:29:55 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41526) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNoPo-0005a6-IV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:29:53 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNoPn-0001Xw-Jn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:29:52 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::233]:37871) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNoPm-0001XY-2e; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 14:29:50 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f179.google.com with SMTP id hm2so1419499wib.12 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:29:48 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=n7rOXFyFs3f+ie/jNZxL9WxsmjFToKXV3cq9YmR5cQU=; b=pFQiEApVyuLPhjANJ6ItmVxibwpSDQYmsD1RDZV1U+1NoCZBs9sOjITP2dFHQQBvfq N6riymwcOQW6iXFqLDKtUJMLfBszYVULEWaVTd27gtYpW8fpFKlbD+byshXaAzF7z9TR iOERuPtv1JN9C66W7EdnLKyeQxxl26VEZA54mgSbZvz7GLulIy19XnTPnbxPwgO01gYJ vQ4eu6nXIHGvmKr4B4S1kXslS31/9knTG4LZwz9HHqhaTNGySMiKPaPrzLU1oW5NjVmc rvyDrcm6CeBV/T9LekICclF9QMF6P6PEFK0oQiiSlRknocuFyQw7N5CDc7Yp7F+fuXeI lgGw== X-Received: by 10.180.90.19 with SMTP id bs19mr10397998wib.15.1379874588542; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:29:48 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 11:29:18 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87fvswvimm.fsf@yandex.ru> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163555 Archived-At: --f46d043c80eaaf4fb004e6fd162c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 I thought intelligence was more about finding solutions than inventing problems. I am fairly confident that a good solution here is CUA (on by default) and Viper (not on by default...) - ;-) On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Dmitry Gutov wrote: > Thien-Thi Nguyen writes: > > I think people express themselves less subtly these days. > > > > i => everyone > > feel uncomfortable => hates > > w/ new keybindings => emacs > > That's not accurate: the Reddit thread's author, instant_sunshine, is > not new to r/emacs or Emacs. > > --f46d043c80eaaf4fb004e6fd162c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
I thought intelligence was more about finding solutions th= an inventing problems.

I am fairly confident that a good solution he= re is CUA (on by default) and Viper (not on by default...) - ;-)


On Sun, Sep 22, 2013 at 8:03 PM, Dmitry = Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:
Thien-Thi Nguyen <ttn@gnu.org> wri= tes:
> I think people express themselves less subtly these days.
>
> =C2=A0i =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0= =3D> =C2=A0everyone
> =C2=A0feel uncomfortable =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0hates
> =C2=A0w/ new keybindings =C2=A0=3D> =C2=A0emacs

That's not accurate: the Reddit thread's author, instant_sunshine, = is
not new to r/emacs or Emacs.


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