From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:29:46 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8004aa7dae04e70a8187 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379932230 15010 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 10:30:30 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:30:30 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jay Belanger , Emacs-Devel devel , Pascal Bourguignon , Brief Busters To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 12:30:33 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO3PV-0006hS-28 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:30:33 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39505 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO3PT-0000Ck-Ky for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:30:31 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:51896) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO3PK-0000C7-TV for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:30:27 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO3PJ-0003YA-Fn for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:30:22 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x235.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::235]:56239) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO3PH-0003Xo-4W; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 06:30:19 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f53.google.com with SMTP id x12so2962433wgg.20 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 03:30:18 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=vQOEEF4ZvzhxNAR9Ypbhmr/muJrwjJRx4ditoGjDOBo=; b=pkdCBr9lqTTROf5S/5UxmrT/RBCz3IbwahiMPeyTzbCPNgtk4AEk46CuvgCP4oWkfv t8Oh6Dif4p6BUswI/k+S1f10Gm0ladDhxdnpuNFmVpneXH4yPEkigBkzVSgrpkI446Lz Sj2hFYkEMoLNvqH7bW9B4Pc9VxsL+NqtCwiho9Hnv6s6LO6WLl9iSAfD5jM7/xAOkkbc Q6ZGhNCpM8+iv2zieU22XHB7Wtl1FucirH/75JZ0fzRY8emzrMqchFVL7JDmK811v5oT y/WtD5095QT8ZAinibkTdcGe0yvtLe504MbUfNkeZ+1gzyduguRkK36Qqmrimr+6RSRt f/4A== X-Received: by 10.181.11.229 with SMTP id el5mr13199902wid.0.1379932217963; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 03:30:17 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 03:29:46 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::235 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163574 Archived-At: --f46d043c8004aa7dae04e70a8187 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Lennart Borgman > > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:18:44 +0200 > > Cc: Dmitry Gutov , Pascal Bourguignon < > pjb@informatimago.com>, > > Eli Zaretskii , Emacs-Devel devel < > emacs-devel@gnu.org> > > > > The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arrow keys on the > > new user. > > When did you last read the tutorial? I posted a few excerpts from it > just now, which show that the tutorial does the exact opposite of what > you say. > It was some time ago ;-) - When I tried to enhance how the tutorial handles different choices like cua-mode, viper etc... ;-) So that part is better now. Good. But you still can't use arrow keys etc for selecting text from default Emacs, or? That is a very important use of the arrow keys. --f46d043c8004aa7dae04e70a8187 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable



On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 8:50 AM, Eli Zaretskii &l= t;eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:18:44 +0200
> Cc: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>, Pascal Bourguignon &l= t;pjb@informatimago.com>,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>, Emacs-Devel dev= el <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
>
> The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arrow keys on t= he
> new user.

When did you last read the tutorial? =C2=A0I posted a few excerpts fr= om it
just now, which show that the tutorial does the exact opposite of what
you say.

It was some time ago ;-) - When I tried to enhance h= ow the tutorial handles different choices like cua-mode, viper etc... ;-)
So that part is better now. Good.

But you still can't use = arrow keys etc for selecting text from default Emacs, or? That is a very im= portant use of the arrow keys.
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