From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:52:41 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87h9wqimf0.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87y4q1fekv.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87k31kga2y.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87r3vsdps7.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419346412 30592 80.91.229.3 (23 Dec 2014 14:53:32 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:53:32 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs developers To: Yuri Khan Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 15:53:29 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3Qpz-000357-UU for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 15:53:28 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:45038 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3Qpz-0000c9-Ga for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:53:27 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44484) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3Qpw-0000bt-3o for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:53:24 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3Qpv-0006Mp-9F for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:53:24 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::229]:58600) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3Qpv-0006Mj-25 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 09:53:23 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f169.google.com with SMTP id r20so13388628wiv.0 for ; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:53:22 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=rNytAQJ3uwUEpPsEnaYA0Hvsn7/hP5QOFOt1WokTk1g=; b=XwRSiAVw4WS/qm4kAg7x2Oq8F58kssDC8PmkjdYcH1q8gQXPR7rnnbHo5rV5hy0FwR xWkIiL/vhUKXilVRMugFfNFQ4qnYPBdGzDie2oX9Jygh76qXp7Sdp6tEhUZp76NZFOgO X5OJTNzWtVg8SL2IyNZUh9ckeLH7ZdE/TOzPPDNqRROZzTR9dE4+AjbNN5L/g1EQdJ8x Z7wgWAFMR2Thx0208LucuycFhj7LIR0V4U3Q1F3xq9tD6U4xIdzPQ5TmEr1Ay/YVsLP4 Jx+L3W1NSqqW2HG4moygTPf0w2UwUpywpTYdLQzKsIxBphPrEEIeSNy5fnFiQIeadcJr dNAw== X-Received: by 10.180.208.112 with SMTP id md16mr41017276wic.37.1419346402129; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:53:22 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 06:52:41 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180562 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 3:35 PM, Yuri Khan wrote: > On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 6:41 PM, Steinar Bang wrote: > >>> In html5 there is also single tags (whatever they call them,I don't >>> remember right now). >> >> My first version was a +1 to Yuri's comment followed by a rant on this >> part of HTML5. >> >> I deleted the rant, but maybe I shouldn't have...? > > Oh, I have a perpetual rant at the HTML syntax in general, with all > its optional tags, voodoo rules for recovering from bad markup, the > adoption agency algorithm, and suchlike. If something is broken, it > should be visibly broken. I=E2=80=99d rather HTML were obsoleted in favor= of > XHTML. Sadly, W3C does not feel that way. Ah, you are wasting your time! Look into the peculiarities of CSS instead .= ..