From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs Lisp's future (was: Guile emacs thread (again)) Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:03:17 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87wq97i78i.fsf@earlgrey.lan> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=bcaec53d5e051e33b5050330e6e2 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1410883459 1142 80.91.229.3 (16 Sep 2014 16:04:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 16 Sep 2014 16:04:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Christopher Allan Webber , Emacs-Devel devel To: Stefan Monnier Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 16 18:04:16 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvEk-0005zS-JY for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 18:04:14 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39014 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvEk-0001nd-5n for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:04:14 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:50951) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvEc-0001kp-Uz for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:04:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvEY-0001cN-7C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:04:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x232.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::232]:48035) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1XTvEY-0001am-0y for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 12:04:02 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f178.google.com with SMTP id q58so61487wes.23 for ; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:03:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=wt0evv7NyXOo+a6NoA0pnj9NfEd/BogHr4hfIMZv+Gg=; b=iIDcf5yftsP0XL9C+aHttrKCl9JuJOJ7srENWsRZofQbaG474WZ6i8D43mQnhhRCdq /1lCeWxOFFe82eqLZwo7nPqjXp0HYcgGlkg6tePp8bw6AfiKc/LIvLeoMZOO5BTyuuOK sqexvgwRtQLhC50xj2HSOjOwECXzMZC7XwdIAD3g4KoTIpW18ulcfwdm65NDzaP6X4dB raHRywG2QhY88Dv+TZKv2JjyejuR3NJmRJrQjEZ0EcBwTk05MV4LmwRRpJ/ApENjTq2l oPAhoSRyAg8ErgqvH2cT2AT7vWbHBYyLFa8jdoK5pZq9jfHqC8QI06MssUoPOj9WMji6 g/iQ== X-Received: by 10.180.19.1 with SMTP id a1mr4664393wie.5.1410883437602; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:03:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.62.206 with HTTP; Tue, 16 Sep 2014 09:03:17 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:174376 Archived-At: --bcaec53d5e051e33b5050330e6e2 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Stefan Monnier wrote: > The main problems I see with that: > - Elisp is slow and as CPUs aren't getting faster, its slowness makes > itself > noticed more often. > - Lack of some features, most notably FFI and concurrency. > - Lack of manpower. > Perhaps also the lack of possibility to enhance Emacs with code written in other languages? I think for example that Javascript will be something most future programmers will know. Could Guile make it easier to enhance Emacs with Javascript (as an alternative to Elisp)? --bcaec53d5e051e33b5050330e6e2 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Sep 16, 2014 at 5:50 PM, Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca> wrote:=
The main problems I see with that:
- Elisp is slow and as CPUs aren't getting faster, its slowness makes i= tself
=C2=A0 noticed more often.
- Lack of some features, most notably FFI and concurrency.
- Lack of manpower.

Perhaps also the lack of possi= bility to enhance Emacs with code written in other languages? I think for e= xample that Javascript will be something most future programmers will know.= Could Guile make it easier to enhance Emacs with Javascript (as an alterna= tive to Elisp)?=C2=A0
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