From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:07:18 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20141205123549.GA29331@thyrsus.com> <5482D94B.2070102@cs.ucla.edu> <5484FF31.5010808@cs.ucla.edu> <5485FC59.5030700@cs.ucla.edu> <87388p6glt.fsf@engster.org> <871to9lw6g.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <5486A704.6090305@cs.ucla.edu> <87k321jj4e.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54876F7F.9000607@cs.ucla.edu> <87y4qfj2u9.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <54889A57.5060905@cs.ucla.edu> <87vbljb9f4.fsf@wanadoo.es> <54889F6D.6060408@cs.ucla.edu> <87r3w7b83a.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488C710.3000209@cs.ucla.edu> <871to7ayv9.fsf@wanadoo.es> <5488DC0C.2070402@cs.ucla.edu> <87d27qin2j.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87zjauh08i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1418299749 8763 80.91.229.3 (11 Dec 2014 12:09:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 11 Dec 2014 12:09:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Emacs-Devel devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Thu Dec 11 13:09:03 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2YB-0000Qr-0q for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 13:08:55 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:50470 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2YA-0002he-DT for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:08:54 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:41635) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2XK-00021U-9A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:08:03 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2XJ-0002w6-B9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:08:02 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d]:53138) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Xz2XH-0002uf-GL; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 07:07:59 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f45.google.com with SMTP id b13so6270309wgh.18 for ; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 04:07:59 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=TtPpe4VG2d6QGu5B6REmmJMdx7GF4fyuiA3uttqR5qk=; b=n00mNHpx/27Q+JRaxFcauV1ehnYJdMcjP3d7UWTvH0wUB0XhItFeXKrl2ssFpSpunD VXk6kMYa0U8wuuZTdK6VQ/zxpfjF/uzwRQwwTR78eQk22mlkC0I/U0VoU3c295sEDWpy qNwmb18U1AQ5d2UyBhXPiJjC0YXLXn7vFi2YtoxKEX5EHXw8cTclEizc6DLMcuiGUJzx F9uCHWO3gdKiraM3DCD5fCi6eTbuV6Bf0me/1gFNousSzTRu/qtxx2PK2CZZ1hXE5B7T 2haJt1rTrEYytUCPB5s3FCVaO+Onl29v37ha7dvoTcNmlntIM7ErO3jK6A5m5HnO4yOH Hqfw== X-Received: by 10.180.98.169 with SMTP id ej9mr22312153wib.1.1418299678583; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 04:07:58 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Thu, 11 Dec 2014 04:07:18 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87zjauh08i.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:179742 Archived-At: On Thu, Dec 11, 2014 at 12:52 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >>> >>> It's also a disadvantage since it means that one simple text-based >>> output format has to contain the full information relevant for all other >>> output formats. Which causes visual clutter not relevant for the >>> text-based output format. >> >> But for HTML you add style sheets. So it is not really true that the >> org format has to contain all the information. > > Style sheets contain formatting, not information. Everything that a > style sheet has to apply to individually needs to be marked with a > corresponding div tag or similar individually. So I stand by my > statement that the Org format has to contain all the information. It > does not need to contain specifics about the formatting, such as the > background color, or the fonts/markup for _every_ @file construct. But > it still needs to mark everything specifically for which a specific > formatting, whether or not specified in a style sheet, is supposed to > apply. That is true of course, but it can be fixed. (You could add hidden tags to the org format. I do not know how if that is possible now. Adding some JSON tags could perhaps be an alternative.) But the point I (and I believe others) are trying to make is that with org-mode you can start simple. And it is still useful. And perhaps, perhaps, org-format could be made to carry the needed information. (Not sure about that, though!)