From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs 23.4 Updated Windows Binaries published Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 14:47:29 +0100 Message-ID: References: <4F2EAF8E.3010106@alice.it> <83d39tcjdx.fsf@gnu.org> <87haz4zksa.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87fweozgbu.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d39szb88.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328536104 24361 80.91.229.3 (6 Feb 2012 13:48:24 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 6 Feb 2012 13:48:24 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eli Zaretskii , Angelo Graziosi , "Richard M. Stallman" , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. 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X-Received-From: 209.85.217.169 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148255 Archived-At: On Mon, Feb 6, 2012 at 08:12, Stephen J. Turnbull wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > =C2=A0> I can't see that this in a legal way prevents from pointing to so= urces > =C2=A0> that is not owned by the distributor. > > What's unclear about Just what I said above. But the answer from Richard that Paul just pointed to (http://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=3D10656#23) is very clear. In fact I think it confirm that sources can be elsewhere. However it requires a legal arrangement that the sources elsewhere will be available for the time required. And Richard says that such arrangements are not made by FSF. I am not sure that is the best way to handle it, but I am sure Richard has good reasons for it. Maybe setting up some kind of DOI-like system would be a better idea long term. > =C2=A0> And when it comes to making the code easily accessible would not > =C2=A0> something like DOI be useful? (http://www.doi.org/) > > No, you're missing the point here. =C2=A0Any old source won't do. =C2=A0T= he > exact source used to produce the binaries you offer, including any > script etc. required to produce the same binaries, must be provided. > > Sure, you *could* use DOI to point to that, but if you fail to update > the DOI pointer when you upgrade the binary, you're in violation of > the GPL. There could be a DOI-like pointer for exactly those sources used. > So this really doesn't save you anything, except a few bytes > of disk space and a few CPU cycles. =C2=A0The human effort required is th= e > same. =C2=A0One Make target can automatically (1) produce the binary, (2) > tar and upload the source, and (3) tar and upload the binary, > automatically satisfying the GPL requirements in this respect. =C2=A0Thus= , > the GPL requirements are *not* burdensome, given modern prices for CPU > and disk, and even bandwidth (you can always offer a "stealth primary" > for both object and source to selected mirrors, and let the general > public download from those mirrors). An easier way is perhaps to clone the sources to a new place in the repository (or another repository). In a way that actually is something like a DOI-system since the cloned sources gets a new identifier. Thanks for the thoughts. I think it is all clear to me now. (If I did not misunderstood... ;-)