From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Have you all gone crazy? Was: On being web-friendly and why info must die Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:49:38 +0100 Message-ID: References: <87388bnzha.fsf@newcastle.ac.uk> <87k31mdbhe.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87tx0qiv45.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87h9wqd3i5.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87d27eily4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1419076252 8560 80.91.229.3 (20 Dec 2014 11:50:52 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sat, 20 Dec 2014 11:50:52 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Stephen J. Turnbull" , Phillip Lord , "Allen S. Rout" , Emacs-Devel devel To: David Kastrup Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sat Dec 20 12:50:47 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2IYY-0006o7-OG for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 12:50:46 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:34075 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2IYX-0005Qh-V2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:50:45 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:39627) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2IYD-0005Qb-TE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:50:26 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2IYC-0007Q3-G8 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:50:25 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22e.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e]:57794) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y2IY7-0007On-IX; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 06:50:19 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f46.google.com with SMTP id x13so3306672wgg.19; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 03:50:18 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=QuzFhJr87xVM09OSL5682nEzTI0x8E6Nw9hGSZTf/YI=; b=FHDqZTnj8ZhuuXUwsYc4smH7Wiq75fQvCasHIPXD1HuLXntI+FI6TFwh96UdAQ893Z gy9MXN3079T0hzYaI4SuCoDdYTNfDM4st+e2htqEjACIAFTAdL30CL5pg8ofLJxJxRbE VQchhNSVzRf0NMANSLkmV4sCk6QhBlMfJYLsntjCz6wFqHp+2jBno+UD11sAmnYkK+0m o88SspAMLLsY4C0HJLKdA/0vFpngoCrsrszzpYtS0C8JErSod+UEauHuyKz+FoA87ugx /2Jtp9NPL0PeVGrBdEhOiwbfjskWNXFTPPVMSlq6dI7sHFqgjbl3h5gpoE/MfqEvRR0Y DPxQ== X-Received: by 10.180.109.3 with SMTP id ho3mr14162084wib.39.1419076218880; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 03:50:18 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Sat, 20 Dec 2014 03:49:38 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87d27eily4.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180373 Archived-At: On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 12:45 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >> On Sat, Dec 20, 2014 at 11:22 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull >> wrote: >>> David Kastrup writes: >>> >>> > There is actually another hidden hurdle that has not been >>> > mentioned: the target format "Info" is not independent from the >>> > manual's organization of content: content is organized into >>> > node-sized chunks, with a somewhat hierarchical organization >>> > intended to make all non-bottom nodes fit on a screen if feasible >>> > in order to make navigation fast. >>> >>> I don't think this is a big problem, though. I don't see any reason >>> why the organization into "nodes" or "pages" (as in the original >>> intent of *nix "man page") would change. It's the obvious way (at >>> least to me) to provide modularity in documentation to correspond to >>> the modularity of the program. >> >> >> With HTML5 you can use "ajax" which can make it very fast to fetch >> small nodes. You simply just update that information on the web page >> (instead of fetching the whole web page). >> >> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ajax_(programming) > > A glimmer of possible solutions on the horizon does not seem like a > sufficient incentive to throw an established working large established > system overboard. I think I have already said that this is not about throwing the established formats overboard?!? The solution I mentioned is not far away. It is actually quite easy to implement today. (And it is all over the internet.)