From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:48:21 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8004263c4f04e724be19 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380044915 32579 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 17:48:35 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 17:48:35 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alp Aker , Emacs-Devel devel , Jay Belanger , Dmitry Gutov , Pascal Bourguignon , Eli Zaretskii To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 19:48:39 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWj0-0007Id-Vq for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:48:39 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47341 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWj0-0003qf-Kt for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:38 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:53644) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWis-0003qN-I3 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:35 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWin-0008Qn-9c for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:30 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::233]:52584) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOWil-0008Pb-4i; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 13:48:23 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f179.google.com with SMTP id x55so4873173wes.38 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:date:message-id:subject:from:to :cc:content-type; bh=eNFlPw8I7HnnSMsTERWuT5Na0y2cuY1rsH/C85JEkps=; b=tPIqtM/CVfv0r4C6cjhkE3WLcEVHrhXe2xxHm+q+MumtN7sAkEdS47lBcKqNFmtGQZ xwUkLNrInHmIxJhksibw8TSlZiwY8WFZ/4LRkz5T3w21zx+MPSPy2WoDJ1n6645Ugaa7 xG7NE1ZY3kfdskuhtyozcBTTwyOXfk4i+AkqLXE5ml5ucWlrPlbVy1BIvyVcAO5tBrPz FGmSrBSX8tRIVNU01tW4BTGEaUF1dUVzKGCfEx2PvyLEVof3Ni9ZndRrMG0t1mEXibjd 5sjsQuhct6hCRYBBI6lSzbhFNUmRzkDNs7skyIWgoKnVs+ygtENgFT1vD2Lk9PLe317X uHwQ== X-Received: by 10.181.11.229 with SMTP id el5mr19513114wid.0.1380044901856; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 10:48:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163617 Archived-At: --f46d043c8004263c4f04e724be19 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Sorry, Jan, but I have no idea what you mean. Did you tell me if you think there is something like CUA on OSX? Or do you think someone not familiar with OSX can look that up in a few minutes? (I am sure I can't.) On Sep 24, 2013 7:31 PM, "Jan Dj=C3=A4rv" wrote: > Hi. > > 24 sep 2013 kl. 16:21 skrev Lennart Borgman : > > On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrot= e: > >> Hello. >> >> 24 sep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman : >> >> On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker wrote= : >> >>> >> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX. >>> >>> > Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by default? >>> >>> It uses a different modifier. >>> >> >> Thanks, I see. Did you have something else in mind, Jan? Is there any >> obstacle having cua-mode on by default on OSX >> >> >> No, I did not have anything else in mind. The OSX equivalents to C-c, >> C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as >> they do in other OSX applications in Emacs. Turning on CUA mode per >> default is just wrong on OSX, nobody uses those keybindings for copy/pas= te >> et.al. >> >> Jan D. >> >> > I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in > other applications on OSX? Is there another standard? > > > Eh, I just told you. It takes less than a minute to check anyway. If yo= u > don't care to do that, you should not be suggesting defaults. > > Jan D. > --f46d043c8004263c4f04e724be19 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable

Sorry, Jan, but I have no idea what you mean. Did you tell m= e if you think there is something like CUA on OSX? Or do you think someone = not familiar with OSX can look that up in a few minutes? (I am sure I can&#= 39;t.)

On Sep 24, 2013 7:31 PM, "Jan Dj=C3=A4rv&qu= ot; <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wr= ote:
Hi.=C2=A0

24 sep 2013 kl. 16:21 skrev = Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 4:11 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv <jan.h.= d@swipnet.se> wrote:
Hello.

24 s= ep 2013 kl. 14:35 skrev Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

On Mon, Sep 23, 20= 13 at 4:49 PM, Alp Aker <alptekin.aker@gmail.com> wrot= e:
>> That would be so wrong for new users on OSX.

> Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CU= A by default?

It uses a different modifier.

Thanks, I see. Did you have someth= ing else in mind, Jan? Is there any obstacle having cua-mode on by default = on OSX

No, I did not have anything e= lse in mind. =C2=A0The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, C= md-v, Cmd-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applicati= ons in Emacs. =C2=A0Turning on CUA mode per default is just wrong on OSX, n= obody uses those keybindings for copy/paste et.al.

Jan D.


I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in = other applications on OSX? Is there another standard?

Eh, I just told you. =C2=A0It takes less than a= =C2=A0minute to check anyway. If you don't care to do that, you should= not be suggesting defaults.=C2=A0

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 J= an D.=C2=A0
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