From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 22:12:44 +0100 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87zkcubbfc.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328649199 26797 80.91.229.3 (7 Feb 2012 21:13:19 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Feb 2012 21:13:19 +0000 (UTC) Cc: egnarts-ms , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Nix Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Feb 07 22:13:17 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1RusLi-0007wb-2f for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 22:13:14 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:36830 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusLh-0000n4-35 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:13:13 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:55975) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusLa-0000lN-O8 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:13:10 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusLZ-0005Tw-N1 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:13:06 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:37787) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1RusLZ-0005Tp-Do for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 16:13:05 -0500 Original-Received: by lamf4 with SMTP id f4so5397166lam.0 for ; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=R5ekfiXnckErRwLZRwGYl7Rdk6hMu81Kxrd6AVkIvRo=; b=f8+dE4AwsBFyKukh4lOaPvSmLPpzLdVP7+emjTjVeQxe0JiTP2xwA7f1LQ3KluM59X VvsN2f0nlblMi9BcJD+f7xRXsqI6CFQKAvWRbIYa6V644FQbMu1UaX9kZlxsJgDdoaEj ZV85PYzc30n0bn7ClB/RK6rBSo3MNB0b5ucfI= Original-Received: by 10.112.25.74 with SMTP id a10mr6903501lbg.58.1328649184094; Tue, 07 Feb 2012 13:13:04 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.12.6 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Feb 2012 13:12:44 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87vcnibb9t.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148318 Archived-At: On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:10, Nix wrote: > On 7 Feb 2012, Lennart Borgman told this: > >> On Tue, Feb 7, 2012 at 22:06, Nix wrote: >>> On 7 Feb 2012, Lennart Borgman verbalised: >>> >>>> There are things that do not work if you include cl.el at run time. >>>> You may not notice the problems and tracking it down has been quite >>>> difficult some times. >>> >>> If so, these are either bugs in cl.el, or bugs in the conflicting >>> packages, and should surely be fixed, rather than simply trying to avoid >>> using cl. >> >> Fixing the bugs would be better yes. Anyone interested can do that. > > Well, if you find out what the problems are, I'll see about fixing them. I am sorry, but I can't help with that at the moment. >> But no one has said that cl.el should not be used. I have not seen any >> problems when the instructions for its use are followed. > > Since those instructions amount to 'don't use it except at compile- > time', this is not incredibly surprising. I think you are misundering.. ;-) -- or am I misunderstanding you... The code that uses cl.el must be compiled. Is that a very sever limitation?