From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Apologia for bzr Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 15:27:24 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <874n5ikap7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c37c1092fc2004ef39f32c X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1388932086 17765 80.91.229.3 (5 Jan 2014 14:28:06 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 5 Jan 2014 14:28:06 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Eric Raymond , Richard Stallman , Emacs-Devel devel To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Jan 05 15:28:13 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VzogW-0007qC-MQ for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 15:28:12 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:58159 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzogW-0004wQ-AV for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:28:12 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:54974) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzogT-0004wA-2P for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzogS-0008SB-4T for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:28:09 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22b.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b]:60854) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VzogQ-0008Ru-Dv; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 09:28:06 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f171.google.com with SMTP id bz8so1947579wib.16 for ; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 06:28:05 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=5N0twVNK3QnLV8TSI9kTOuzvUuXDnk/4bIokGPAmAqo=; b=MPnh5hxJSGSoW9rRmquDSLfkkknMMxwDbaifuunGxfukzkd8Su/IO2camvp4GJRZKT 5tJjf98UTPld1bTCi7xNoDvSPQkx6MCirSr+25t1nKUgHCzXmtlJNkL3nMRyrEtCPWBk OT9FwLlGST+hv+IQfHl/050Vp9wj0ik8N6L9OJa+6p329MqyMo4G7HsBZcr9alPNhYVe q2nXI6bC8iivV4pF+wZEl3E1szkM1esZUqkjIPSTHM2uOIFtsPOEqrevE2Tby6FWELiG g1RfVnX6qa4LsoGzl+sMnLfzUaYs5r+CG1RRB5zphDrZIG0iuONNWcIETmqYtlbUkl04 Vg8A== X-Received: by 10.180.206.11 with SMTP id lk11mr8931764wic.16.1388932085511; Sun, 05 Jan 2014 06:28:05 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Sun, 5 Jan 2014 06:27:24 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <874n5ikap7.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22b X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167365 Archived-At: --001a11c37c1092fc2004ef39f32c Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Eric S. Raymond > wrote: > > It is very different in one way. An editor is a tool you start > > with. > > That's not what Eric's talking about. The point he is making, it > seems to me, is that Emacs is not an editor, it is a text editing > environment or toolkit. Similarly, git is not a VCS, it is an > environment for developing a VCS. Not to the same extent that today's > Emacs is a development environment for editors, but then Richard had > several years of experience with using a editor language to create the > Emacs Lisp and GNU Emacs that is the direct ancestor of today's Emacs. > When you start with Emacs it is just an editor, nothing more. --001a11c37c1092fc2004ef39f32c Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Jan 5, 2014 at 11:03 AM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
Lennart Borgman writes: =C2=A0> On Sat, Jan 4, 2014 at 9:28 AM, Eric S. Raymond <esr@thyrsus.= com> wrote:
=C2=A0> It is very different in one way. An editor is a tool you start =C2=A0> with.

That's not what Eric's talking about. =C2=A0The point he is m= aking, it
seems to me, is that Emacs is not an editor, it is a text editing
environment or toolkit. =C2=A0Similarly, git is not a VCS, it is an
environment for developing a VCS. =C2=A0Not to the same extent that today&#= 39;s
Emacs is a development environment for editors, but then Richard had
several years of experience with using a editor language to create the
Emacs Lisp and GNU Emacs that is the direct ancestor of today's Emacs.<= br>


When you start = with Emacs it is just an editor, nothing more.
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