From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: CL package serious deficiencies Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 12:00:06 +0100 Message-ID: References: <33271707.post@talk.nabble.com> <87fwemcwlx.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <8739amb3rf.fsf@spindle.srvr.nix> <87pqdqxebg.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87mx8ux8ai.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1328698845 15393 80.91.229.3 (8 Feb 2012 11:00:45 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 8 Feb 2012 11:00:45 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Nix , egnarts-ms , Stefan Monnier , Drew Adams , Emacs-devel@gnu.org To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Feb 08 12:00:43 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([140.186.70.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv5GV-0000vN-4W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 12:00:43 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:35497 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv5GU-0004Zh-Cg for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:00:42 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([140.186.70.92]:40157) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv5GL-0004Ss-I6 for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:00:39 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv5GF-0007o8-Ml for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:00:33 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:45554) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Rv5GF-0007nj-BT for Emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 06:00:27 -0500 Original-Received: by lamf4 with SMTP id f4so431295lam.0 for ; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:00:26 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=gamma; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=RuNv8sgzBYMHhyXtXcarKNGlblx0uNJZ/lEpz7KARbM=; b=eaOzz8yWOfF9K8lDA8AyBdJDytEqA19n3dYPLlOCh0P+3CglnTg8c9hmOzTYe+XLpp 1EdLx4ngUuzCBVRcdPGQ1MtM0VRykx/G5kYLaLp4bq8G0r1Es4W21aO3wGE/LLxeB+MX wrMJn4jHHWI5c46iANszGwGeCX1U+2a1SiwMA= Original-Received: by 10.112.102.161 with SMTP id fp1mr7489294lbb.71.1328698826138; Wed, 08 Feb 2012 03:00:26 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.112.12.6 with HTTP; Wed, 8 Feb 2012 03:00:06 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87mx8ux8ai.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:148353 Archived-At: On Wed, Feb 8, 2012 at 05:23, Stephen J. Turnbull wrot= e: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > =C2=A0> This reminds me that the help functions does not work for cl thin= gs. A > =C2=A0> serious attempt to make those functions useful should probably fi= x > =C2=A0> that too. > > Which help functions? =C2=A0What do you mean "doesn't work?" Sorry, I thought that was clear. I never use CL myself, because I have not had time to learn it. (The only lisp dialect I have been using - except for some small course, 5 weeks, in logic programming - is elisp.) When trying to tweak ert.el so I could use it for tests in nXhtml I ran across cl structures and did not understand at all how to read the values in them. I therefore wrote some small functions to help myself and others in this dilemma: Those functions are all in ourcomments-util.el in nXhtml. The main function is describe-defstruct. If I remember correctly I had to make a minor change in cl.el too to make it all work.