From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:18:44 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e013c62206398f204e701f8c5 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379895561 14672 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 00:19:21 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 00:19:21 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Pascal Bourguignon , Eli Zaretskii , Emacs-Devel devel , Dmitry Gutov To: Jay Belanger Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 02:19:25 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VNts4-0004cp-Fp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 02:19:24 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:37111 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNts4-0005cL-1F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:19:24 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59988) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtrz-0005bI-7N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:19:21 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtry-0001m4-0C for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:19:19 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22c.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c]:56522) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VNtrw-0001lF-0N; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 20:19:16 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f44.google.com with SMTP id b13so2419343wgh.11 for ; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=BsAE0R7BlPSboBtfIUPsjk/qBAMo6lc1whXXGBfsRH0=; b=YQZFem0atz/ZEHgI5cw+f6wng6HGdA5wpbzLkHQBiYy7wS3UF9F16O3+Uxn89RlqbT fU/4IW3nKXOehZjuwE4TU26WdAT7vqrYfWhyOoZCHWCehyPT+xpT/Gg5em6geFDfy4/U mRcy+rVXzBI6DkkPEzBHu6IDvj7PFG2A28+uzaeWNOb8RjSkqwksiMBnlEDeTaFsFTzK Hz6kXIYIiUAH/nTJIpZCx7fPSPdwxStrRYP/XD8ixpD0ifSqaLxH92typKnjwjDF69rh UYOQ+D/HmwqmPWyHnNq+62zactVto/3ZxW+awBeqAJC1YhfpRFqD/WWZQdRHa+Cb0Ii4 mPCA== X-Received: by 10.194.173.163 with SMTP id bl3mr15406753wjc.10.1379895555098; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:19:15 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Sun, 22 Sep 2013 17:18:44 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22c X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163560 Archived-At: --089e013c62206398f204e701f8c5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arrow keys on the new user. Kind of patronizing if someone asks me. ;-) On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:59 AM, Jay Belanger wrote: > > >> Really, why should I have to read a tutorial > >> that forces me to use strange and awkward key-bindings just to figure > >> out how to move the cursor around the screen effectively and scroll > >> the window?! > > The arrow keys? > > --089e013c62206398f204e701f8c5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
The tutorial kind of throws other keybindings than the arr= ow keys on the new user. Kind of patronizing if someone asks me. ;-)
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On Mon, Sep 23= , 2013 at 1:59 AM, Jay Belanger <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com> wrote:

>> Really, why should I have to read a tutorial
>> that forces me to use strange and awkward key-bindings just to fig= ure
>> out how to move the cursor around the screen effectively and scrol= l
>> the window?!

The arrow keys?


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