From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: BEGIN_SRC..END_SRC Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 16:43:12 +0200 Message-ID: References: <871umzrvfw.fsf@gmail.com> <87wr4rqg6g.fsf@gmail.com> <83d36j59gv.fsf@gnu.org> <87r4uz58e3.fsf@sec.modprobe.de> <83aa1n57p4.fsf@gnu.org> <5D17181ED92C4552AE8D4404DD035CA0@us.oracle.com> <20120506143313.GC4026@acm.acm> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: dough.gmane.org 1336315433 22148 80.91.229.3 (6 May 2012 14:43:53 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@dough.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 6 May 2012 14:43:53 +0000 (UTC) Cc: emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Alan Mackenzie Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun May 06 16:43:52 2012 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1SR2gh-0000MY-Rf for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 May 2012 16:43:51 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47990 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SR2gh-0002pt-9W for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 06 May 2012 10:43:51 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([208.118.235.92]:36145) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SR2gd-0002pW-UQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2012 10:43:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SR2gb-0005JO-Sj for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2012 10:43:47 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-lpp01m010-f41.google.com ([209.85.215.41]:38502) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1SR2gb-0005Fy-IM for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sun, 06 May 2012 10:43:45 -0400 Original-Received: by lagz14 with SMTP id z14so3618401lag.0 for ; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; bh=GLYo1e9h8kFzeIej9/flIcHO82QHvtbudOSLm4BwZhM=; b=KrhKsvat0U5TJFrK0YJcwMH0PbwpdtI7ByEUBjuX0MC/V+VhqVsI9brmGZO2X9gDu6 MgUSwXY44AfR7VFra9siuVz7YlomIAiNZbmDdDJwOHmJZBshR9TMUpI8zlpEbsEvB55c KzdH6i/UBHMdYo3aQCvH49CcJ3nB8ZJ/W60X6eGPliHqyoL2USMfhnSY9Cs6GhgA/8JE hic3c5W18fjdbsvBLbww0GKymTnAmxRwK2SvzLClA9vxPfWNKh12pYFTMTZi0+o9Ha+A 0Yc/Mo3O4FNDfI3IYMz+GGJdMu2BNWCZE/2lPLLNMuVqK2DoccfRNIFIDUZS26M9C7L5 aXhQ== Original-Received: by 10.112.36.42 with SMTP id n10mr5259517lbj.7.1336315423090; Sun, 06 May 2012 07:43:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.112.28.65 with HTTP; Sun, 6 May 2012 07:43:12 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <20120506143313.GC4026@acm.acm> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 209.85.215.41 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:150322 Archived-At: On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:33 PM, Alan Mackenzie wrote: > Hi, Lennart. > > On Sun, May 06, 2012 at 04:18:03PM +0200, Lennart Borgman wrote: >> On Sun, May 6, 2012 at 4:15 PM, Ted Zlatanov wrote: >> > On Sat, 5 May 2012 07:35:29 -0700 "Drew Adams" = wrote: > >> > DA> We discourage the use of HTML messages in GNU mailing lists. =C2= =A0But then >> > DA> Gnus/Org/Emacs goes and rolls its own simulacrum? =C2=A0And then e= veryone who is not >> > DA> using Emacs for mail has the obligatory privilege of seeing the >> > DA> markup? > >> > Yup. > >> Free software is dependent on standard, or?? > >> > DA> (Note: I would have no problem with the GNU mailing lists NOT disc= ouraging HTML >> > DA> messages. =C2=A0My point is that we should not (a) discourage HTML= and then (b) bring >> > DA> in some artisanal, Emacs-specific markup through the back door. = =C2=A0HTML and XML at >> > DA> least provide (more or less) standard markup that is supported by = many clients.) > >> > Nope. > >> Which commonly used mail clients (outside of Emacs) does not support htm= l today? > > mutt. =C2=A0At least, not without dreary configuration. > > I'm all for keeping HTML strictly out of GNU list messages. I am also for keeping the messages as plain text.