From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Emacs terminology (not again!?) [was: Apologia for bzr] Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 15:16:23 +0100 Message-ID: References: <20140103152117.GA16679@c3po> <20140104082857.GA22010@thyrsus.com> <878uushwnq.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> <87y52rhomz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=047d7bb04822ca554204ef620747 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1389104235 20215 80.91.229.3 (7 Jan 2014 14:17:15 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 7 Jan 2014 14:17:15 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Richard Stallman , Toby Cubitt , Emacs-Devel devel , Eric Raymond , Stefan Monnier , Lars Magne Ingebrigtsen , Drew Adams To: "Stephen J. Turnbull" Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Jan 07 15:17:20 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W0XT5-0002CW-CK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 15:17:19 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40902 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0XT2-00089N-Pl for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:17:16 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:52362) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0XSx-00089I-M9 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:17:12 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0XSs-0007cH-OQ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:17:11 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x22f.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f]:42321) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1W0XSq-0007b6-KL; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 09:17:04 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f175.google.com with SMTP id w62so192745wes.6 for ; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 06:17:03 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=KITs7cCpj4JBK7va99YPubTNHo4Z8+CzA777rBhVbEE=; b=Z7btOLYDSFm7h6zyyE+AB7XFV7pUCxU5y5ZquGZIFypx8id7zjuEauSsNDMO3ytKmr AKnGwNfVfIaGCon+pt8TaLcJQ8BUnVE1m8zErszO0tW0IvOs15jHfOvk3pEK2F1DV3ZM j89lFy8c8YgsmeqrR991Bi8pOuE5xS7wDPJ8oWuaZPnmDZL/cpgGaiDHMPT7Q5ioEBGg DwRNVwhNwNOI9AYuM+e8ZAAIvU8cf7bDWLGU29P+vJdBGkELREEilesUKWgeBE5JKQzN 05ibFYkSHRC5rn8Gqfo/s2vROTeL5Nk72PJno4Z0/++wmWoFPLI3jaWzuB7EwrljSPUf /0Lg== X-Received: by 10.194.93.3 with SMTP id cq3mr78033609wjb.26.1389104223374; Tue, 07 Jan 2014 06:17:03 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.216.227 with HTTP; Tue, 7 Jan 2014 06:16:23 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <87y52rhomz.fsf@uwakimon.sk.tsukuba.ac.jp> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::22f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:167604 Archived-At: --047d7bb04822ca554204ef620747 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > > On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull < > stephen@xemacs.org> wrote: > > >> Agreed. The important disconnect is between windows and buffers, > >> and even that isn't so hard for users to figure out. I think > >> people used to recent browser interfaces will call buffers "tabs". > > > I think that is a good illustration of how confusing different > > terms can be... ;-) "Tabs" is a UI thing. Calling buffers "tabs" > > would be very, very confusing for most new users. > > Agreed. I'm not suggesting that as Emacs terminology. I'm saying > that users are going to see buffers as ways to show different content > in the same (GUI) window just like tabs do. > > I see. ;-) In a way, yes. It is a very useful concept. And one of the few things I think should be presented to new users. The rest should be so familiar so they should be able to start without knowing more. (If they are just to Notepad or something similar. --047d7bb04822ca554204ef620747 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On T= ue, Jan 7, 2014 at 3:07 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <stephen@xemacs.org> wrote:
Lenn= art Borgman writes:
=C2=A0> On Tue, Jan 7, 2014 at 12:13 PM, Stephen J. Turnbull <s= tephen@xemacs.org> wrote:

=C2=A0>> Agreed. =C2=A0The important disconnect is between windows an= d buffers,
=C2=A0>> and even that isn't so hard for users to figure out. =C2= =A0I think
=C2=A0>> people used to recent browser interfaces will call buffers &= quot;tabs".

=C2=A0> I think that is a good illustration of how confusing different =C2=A0> terms can be... ;-) =C2=A0"Tabs" is a UI thing. Callin= g buffers "tabs"
=C2=A0> would be very, very confusing for most new users.

Agreed. =C2=A0I'm not suggesting that as Emacs terminology.= =C2=A0I'm saying
that users are going to see buffers as ways to show different content
in the same (GUI) window just like tabs do.

I see.= ;-)
In a way, yes. It is a very useful concept. And one of the few thin= gs I think should be presented to new users. The rest should be so familiar= so they should be able to start without knowing more. (If they are just to= Notepad or something similar.=C2=A0

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