From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: New maintainer Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 02:30:06 +0200 Message-ID: References: <560CCEBA.9080607@online.de> <874miapdhs.fsf@openmailbox.org> <8737xuuw2y.fsf@rabkins.net> <87lhbmkrle.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <87si5r22qh.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> <56103479.6090900@online.de> <87k2r31znz.fsf@fencepost.gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=089e01175fdd01d87e05213c82b5 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1443918672 29466 80.91.229.3 (4 Oct 2015 00:31:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Sun, 4 Oct 2015 00:31:12 +0000 (UTC) To: Emacs-Devel devel Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Sun Oct 04 02:31:11 2015 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiXCg-0005R2-EK for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sun, 04 Oct 2015 02:31:02 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40571 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiXCf-0006EV-MD for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 20:31:01 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:43984) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiXCS-0006EL-GC for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 20:30:49 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiXCR-0005Vw-CY for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 20:30:48 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ig0-x231.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231]:36627) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1ZiXCR-0005Vp-6N for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 20:30:47 -0400 Original-Received: by igcrk20 with SMTP id rk20so39944346igc.1 for ; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :content-type; bh=CB1dL9LmOaZONt4P+UMYh/I3f2t7de+Cj6OGX2XBAuU=; b=h9tAhzIlhFjfHOX73LezhJ2/TRZyAKnV+DhQMvInUIBtOMEEoSmniPPfv4FNxcuu4q cA0bT4OaJtsyCViTqEJcR7J7xXeLFH+qpYbZnh50iPhn8svF5SxTa3C7HovyvFPmHGD6 3Wo2BF9UtBlRqK6PiTsaVZ91eMOniPc4UszZHmaQXo409a0UtllYrTFd/c/neySSLIEE 4gMHpEHOY11n3JAVWDcnzawRkboc/B5OnQ2106SxdxlpBtag7GnLNoDW+9i2q4rib8HR 3SLIkB/3ND18E1XyrbSz1j24yxZtk6LhJmrpOWcsgjGoyHutNeC9laghQyO8fvU9Z2zu hUYw== X-Received: by 10.50.124.2 with SMTP id me2mr4146553igb.46.1443918646455; Sat, 03 Oct 2015 17:30:46 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.79.83.7 with HTTP; Sat, 3 Oct 2015 17:30:06 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4001:c05::231 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190836 Archived-At: --089e01175fdd01d87e05213c82b5 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Sun, Oct 4, 2015 at 12:53 AM, John Wiegley wrote: > >>>>> Jean-Christophe Helary writes: > > > You've not been watching the news in the past 100 years. Socialism is the > > philosophy that has been the most demonised. Your comment only shows a > gross > > misunderstanding of political history and of the aspirations of the > people > > who gave their lives so that more people could achieve freedom from > economic > > serfdom regardless of what self-proclaimed tyrants did or said. We're > not on > > Fox News here are we? > > Not even sure what to say to that Jean-Christophe, except that here is not > the > place. I fully retract my own demonization of socialism per se, so let's > back > away from this particular cliff... > > John > > When developing software together with other people I have always found it saves a lot of time to focus on the intention with the code, what it is supposed to do. I usually only look at the details if I have too. ;-) Maybe discussions could learn a bit from this? (Even if they are very different. We can't run tests for example. But we can take the discussions further by trying to find the positive aspects of other peoples view.) --089e01175fdd01d87e05213c82b5 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On S= un, Oct 4, 2015 at 12:53 AM, John Wiegley <johnw@newartisans.com> wrote:
>>>>> Jean-Christophe= Helary <jean.christophe.helary@gmail= .com> writes:

> You've not been watching the news in the past 100 years. Socialism= is the
> philosophy that has been the most demonised. Your comment only shows a= gross
> misunderstanding of political history and of the aspirations of the pe= ople
> who gave their lives so that more people could achieve freedom from ec= onomic
> serfdom regardless of what self-proclaimed tyrants did or said. We'= ;re not on
> Fox News here are we?

Not even sure what to say to that Jean-Christophe, except that here = is not the
place. I fully retract my own demonization of socialism per se, so let'= s back
away from this particular cliff...

John


When developing software together with= other people I have always found it saves a lot of time to focus on the in= tention with the code, what it is supposed to do. I usually only look at th= e details if I have too. ;-)

Maybe discussions could learn a bit fro= m this? (Even if they are very different. We can't run tests for exampl= e. But we can take the discussions further by trying to find the positive a= spects of other peoples view.)
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