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Stallman" , Stefan Monnier , Nic Ferrier , Emacs-Devel devel To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Dec 23 23:42:57 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YAI-0003OS-Bd for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 23:42:54 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:46485 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YAH-0006Ns-C8 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:42:53 -0500 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59353) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YAE-0006Nk-RH for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:42:51 -0500 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YAD-0007Cs-VO for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:42:50 -0500 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x233.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::233]:61590) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1Y3YAB-00077S-0V; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 17:42:47 -0500 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f51.google.com with SMTP id x12so10114297wgg.10; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=o43efAfrgsoi6/WjdnPJzvXQMGJUinVE8dfhu1C8I94=; b=msz14Ey5m4tlccny9rf3CUoAKpltlgzaJZgmnHR7UO+/pYlRjuugV3+Qn8+6ltCyFV zxiyYvSi/BQ1XItzllffzYkeEnpVj02fP+m0DwOC8WbxVKUMWKbQ3jiLSgSLeTkz1yKM zR+YLgtOP0JZJsQgcTuFJ/hQyePAYtJ9AOg29eoyAVWghW6tTkLxkFomou0kt4OAU6qk pdOIuVZZ9mt9674oaUM0+HG14Y+AzboWZpXVnlqfd4aDS/leZMwReLJoulp4QRPLWUt4 q0P+PIw5tNz8DBg8Hpy6RzOYjofDDeRq7QM1xsTEbhi6NNP7L2NmBP4yuMWJsPvPmSri 5sAw== X-Received: by 10.194.61.18 with SMTP id l18mr57646361wjr.42.1419374566138; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:42:46 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.194.93.228 with HTTP; Tue, 23 Dec 2014 14:42:05 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <83ioh2nlow.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::233 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180610 Archived-At: On Tue, Dec 23, 2014 at 9:41 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > We are talking about replacing an existing browser, one that is > developed for decades and is chock-full of useful features. I use > many of them every day. People can say it's "samizdat" all they want, > but for me it is a tremendously useful tool. I would rather think of it as adding that kind of functionality to the web browser version. It is the functionality that is important, of course, not how it will look. All those years that info has been developed and married with the content has given a lot of experience, useful experiences. For me the question is: Can we transform that knowledge to that web browser version? That might help not only Emacs, but also other projects. Of course that has to be merged with the internet search that is now the main way for people to search for information. This is not an easy project. Because of that there is no room for quarrels. ;-) > If you want to convince > me that the replacement will be worthy, you need to show that those > important features, or at least some non-trivial subset thereof, can > be had with your suggested approach. And given my JS ignorance, the > only way of showing that is by implementing it. Because I have no > idea what will it take to write a multi-file regexp search in JS. A very common situation. A very important type of situations. I would say implement part of it. And then talk carefully about the details.