From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:40:19 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c80eae67f5704e70b7d31 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379936456 29416 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 11:40:56 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 11:40:56 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jay Belanger , Emacs-Devel devel , Pascal Bourguignon , Brief Busters To: Eli Zaretskii Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 13:40:59 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO4Vd-0008Vj-SX for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 13:40:58 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:39798 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO4Vd-0008HX-Hc for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:40:57 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:36105) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO4Va-0008HR-EE for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:40:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO4VZ-0006ko-6i for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:40:54 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-we0-x234.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c03::234]:51747) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO4VW-0006kR-VE; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:40:51 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-we0-f180.google.com with SMTP id u57so3017791wes.11 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:40:49 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=r/evp1TLZX+Crli+m4PRFLDr3P8xjV6ZYyKs2Tl72Ao=; b=FwFtoc6mxzqiqZfv59AQd39/Oz5yLUcyqDIu4H3q7POozneiciWhTsaCgpEltdtiej lDfXAvdmekdRBzSt91nf5W4xeci7yf/wNydCVbDPEOwu4Zhp3Rh4H/jqERtAFFBgB0vC 32AKJEDtpbxxOM/v6Lb2tZcI4mECohO0JFbChsOFEJyZm943RMNZTGxxpLvT0A7uK1QG L3SPEJG2ylbGNkBmOKjb0FmGrweygaDRfJ1MuNzXl6EjBVjLtNnYTta+273WW1cTjypE mMFfD3Pk6DgKlPxInFOHfugRVVamdXT1T2xg+zgAHjRncFEXwwZ6gdK9J84xB0MyIYa8 s3wg== X-Received: by 10.180.90.19 with SMTP id bs19mr13068310wib.15.1379936449754; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:40:49 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 04:40:19 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c03::234 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163576 Archived-At: --f46d043c80eae67f5704e70b7d31 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Eli Zaretskii wrote: > > From: Lennart Borgman > > Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:29:46 +0200 > > Cc: Jay Belanger , Brief Busters < > dgutov@yandex.ru>, > > Pascal Bourguignon , Emacs-Devel devel < > emacs-devel@gnu.org> > > > > But you still can't use arrow keys etc for selecting text from default > > Emacs, or? That is a very important use of the arrow keys. > > If you mean hold Shift and move by arrow keys, then this selects text > for quite some time now. > Oh, is that default now? Good. (I can't switch because I am using my old patches which I did not have time to get into Emacs.) And how about Ctl-arrow key? Does that move a "word"? If combined with Shift does it select? And how about Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn? --f46d043c80eae67f5704e70b7d31 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 1:04 PM, Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
> From: Lennart Borgman <lennart.borg= man@gmail.com>
> Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 12:29:46 +0200
> Cc: Jay Belanger <jay.p.belanger@gmail.com>= ;, Brief Busters <dgutov@yandex.ru>,
> =C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0 Pascal Bourguignon <pjb@informatim= ago.com>, Emacs-Devel devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org><= br>
>
> But you still can't use arrow keys etc for selecting text from def= ault
> Emacs, or? That is a very important use of the arrow keys.

If you mean hold Shift and move by arrow keys, then this selects text=
for quite some time now.

Oh, is that default= now? Good. (I can't switch because I am using my old patches which I d= id not have time to get into Emacs.)

And how about Ctl-arrow key? Do= es that move a "word"? If combined with Shift does it select?

And how about Ctrl-PgUp/PgDn?
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