From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:21:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> <2D38AEAD-FB89-4585-B8E4-9B0CF6909A69@swipnet.se> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=f46d043c8004e1183104e7260c2b X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380050529 5935 80.91.229.3 (24 Sep 2013 19:22:09 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Tue, 24 Sep 2013 19:22:09 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Alp Aker , Emacs-Devel devel , Jay Belanger , Dmitry Gutov , Pascal Bourguignon , Eli Zaretskii To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Sep 24 21:22:11 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOYBX-0004gj-80 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 21:22:11 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:47611 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOYBW-0005aK-Op for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:22:10 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44506) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOYBT-0005a9-Cu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:22:08 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOYBN-0003ta-Cu for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:22:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x229.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::229]:36968) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOYBK-0003sc-OG; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 15:21:59 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f41.google.com with SMTP id l18so3924773wgh.0 for ; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=SGp/s2pYt2CsptGRXUjDAPaR+DFKyYXCMgk6pWBkYmk=; b=sQqaKXyxD9fis/7NGrSXKGDPoe6miugKVjfpJHwJJParEGdE2WtSt9A6uheL4GI/3c cfbryv6Y/lv20b2qLAlYV+ZOCLwM/qSQ3jpD453Cbd+k5DdnqnLDnQpL7CF/ESIKgdg3 1ddPjqOIy5ni8f5lp9fU8s+va1opLVL6oLM3Q5/WR7l1HgLfZTDw9X39C0zhhyno5ZYV ko9tOMkiZ55ZSHgbHfFEcKb0Ck6SD2yuITpkUB1VOvo15sqYbe5GQKv3CnuQBtf3FL7e b8tuhnF7yIsCsregtCYoz1J1bEcmT9TJ0qcrcrsM1pabmB/2cmIXCKJuHAb/RiqRi3IB WrXw== X-Received: by 10.181.11.229 with SMTP id el5mr19848657wid.0.1380050517692; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:21:57 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Tue, 24 Sep 2013 12:21:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <2D38AEAD-FB89-4585-B8E4-9B0CF6909A69@swipnet.se> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::229 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163621 Archived-At: --f46d043c8004e1183104e7260c2b Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > Hello. > > 24 sep 2013 kl. 19:48 skrev Lennart Borgman : > > Sorry, Jan, but I have no idea what you mean. Did you tell me if you thin= k > there is something like CUA on OSX? Or do you think someone not familiar > with OSX can look that up in a few minutes? (I am sure I can't.) > > > Are you annoying on purpose, or are you pulling my leg? > Well, in the world outside, there is this thing called internet. You can > search it for various information, one such place is Google. There you c= an > type in (for example) "osx default key shortcuts". Then you find pages > like this (first hit): > > http://support.apple.com/kb/ht1343 > > Scroll down to Application and other OS X shortcuts, near the middle. > > Jeez... > > Jan D. > > Thanks, no I am neither pulling your leg or being annoying on purpose. Just as little as you I hope. I just know very little about OSX. And even less about the keyboard/keyboard shortcuts there. ;-) Fine. Then I believe I understand what you mean. So on OSX the CUA-keys are placed on COMMAND-* instead of CONTROL-* and they therefore does not clash with Emacs - which I assume uses CONTROL as Emacs' Ctl? It looks to me like you can both use OSX's default editing shortcuts and Emacs' dito by default. In that keys it looks very good in my opinion. In my opinion that should be possible in default Emacs on Windows too. (Which require at least cua-mode is on by default.) --f46d043c8004e1183104e7260c2b Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Tue, Sep 24, 2013 at 8:06 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrot= e:
Hello.

24 s= ep 2013 kl. 19:48 skrev Lennart Borgman <lennart.borgman@gmail.com>:

Sorry, Jan, but I have no= idea what you mean. Did you tell me if you think there is something like C= UA on OSX? Or do you think someone not familiar with OSX can look that up i= n a few minutes? (I am sure I can't.)



Are you annoying on = purpose, or are you pulling my leg?
Well, in the world outside, t= here is this thing called internet. =C2=A0You can search it for various inf= ormation, one such place is Google. =C2=A0There you can type in (for exampl= e) "osx default key shortcuts". =C2=A0Then you find pages like th= is (first hit):


Scroll down to=C2=A0Application and other OS X shortcuts, near the middle.=

Jeez...

Jan D.


T= hanks, no I am neither pulling your leg or being annoying on purpose. Just = as little as you I hope. I just know very little about OSX. And even less a= bout the keyboard/keyboard shortcuts there. ;-)

Fine. Then I believe I understand what you mean. So on OSX the CUA-keys= are placed on COMMAND-* instead of CONTROL-* and they therefore does not c= lash with Emacs - which I assume uses CONTROL as Emacs' Ctl?

It looks to me like you can both use OSX's default editing shortcuts an= d Emacs' dito by default. In that keys it looks very good in my opinion= .

In my opinion that should be possible in default Emacs on Windows = too. (Which require at least cua-mode is on by default.)
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