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X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::230 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:180487 Archived-At: On Mon, Dec 22, 2014 at 2:13 PM, David Kastrup wrote: > Lennart Borgman writes: > >>>> >>>> 1. You open an equivalent URL. From within Emacs for example. Or from >>>> a web page. >>>> 2. You create a Google CSE. Works very well upto 200 documents (and >>>> perhaps a few hundred more.) >>> >>> The LilyPond manual pages have a search box that works like the first >>> option, I think. >> >> Do you have a link to that on the web? >> >> >>> Against using a clear text search or the index in Info, it sucks really, >>> really, really bad. Part of the problem is that followup >>> searches/refinements pretty fast end up on some other page. >> >> I can't see how that can happen. > > Shrug. Try the page > . Enter > into the Search box on the left "ly:context-property". You get to some > Google search page and the original page is left. The Google search > terms include a site restriction, but if you do something like C-a in > order to overtype the search term, of course you land somewhere else. If you type C-a there you kind of ask for it. ;-) Yes, it is a bit inconvenient in that regard. Google CSE can take care of that (the "site:" part is hidden), but the gratis version of CSE is limited to the number of pages I mentioned. This is one of the reasons I mentioned http://opensearchserver.com/ in this thread. Another reason is that I found the gratis CSE offer from Google a bit unstable. What will they do tomorrow? (Quite inconvenient, BTW, that they the LilyPond page does not open the search result in a new window. I can see no good reason for not using a new window there. But that is the responsibility of those writing the page at LilyPond.) >>> Part of the problem is that, well, searching for something on a huge >>> page that is actually already loaded works not all that well anyway, >>> but then you may end up on the split version, too. >> >> I do not understand how that relates to what we are talking about here. > > Search engines suck for navigating some document you already have open > in your browser. Really. Because they are not involved at all. ;-) You can design some JavaScript for that.