From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:31:27 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c24acaf18ce804e70de1bc X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1379946737 27129 80.91.229.3 (23 Sep 2013 14:32:17 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Mon, 23 Sep 2013 14:32:17 +0000 (UTC) Cc: Jay Belanger , Eli Zaretskii , Brief Busters , Pascal Bourguignon , Emacs-Devel devel To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Mon Sep 23 16:32:20 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7BP-0005du-JS for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 16:32:15 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:40988 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7BP-0003R6-4F for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:32:15 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:44681) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7BH-0003QO-BG for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:32:12 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7BG-0007Mx-2A for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:32:07 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wi0-x22d.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d]:44300) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VO7BE-0007MQ-4v; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 10:32:04 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wi0-f173.google.com with SMTP id hq15so2333243wib.0 for ; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:32:02 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=gQijNGwfTAA4VJe0xn9Gj8pmnaxgSMJvLvk3BcaTp6E=; b=0JNpNXiplieffUlVpLHZ2UtD9VFBRMTzyGBlWblvPHbcb733w73zsG7dV45UV1Bffp Nfeqt1xgFKnGQlIjmVCsE03nWgoODO7Rhr6z/7TPcHHP2MKBwJ1NxvNBcmDwRQO3EycO V3+PwlZ3xHS4tH/x0Pb9yMsSmib9krQgY76YDd1NP+zSp5NVXmiHd8zDE6cwzbEaq4oF xO/2ZhNAMGkJUuppc9ckWKmNrgRLFjCZASzyuGRyb6h3pC6yl4MAiDyXln4bwqdND+zd asJ1paeUO7GQUvbNoasFK3+KbC3K04fc91t7ZAx2joV5TRA6B8/yhPSTgzjm0yGkzA3W QFGQ== X-Received: by 10.180.9.45 with SMTP id w13mr14076936wia.0.1379946718134; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:31:58 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Mon, 23 Sep 2013 07:31:27 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c05::22d X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163584 Archived-At: --001a11c24acaf18ce804e70de1bc Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv wrote: > Hi. > > > 23 sep 2013 kl. 15:43 skrev Lennart Borgman = : > > > > Some important things are of course still missing for new users: C-c an= d > C-x (only text is selected), C-v and C-z (always). Making cua-mode defaul= t > would make those things much more stable. And better for new users. > > That would be so wrong for new users on OSX. > > Jan D. Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by default? --001a11c24acaf18ce804e70de1bc Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Mon, Sep 23, 2013 at 4:21 PM, Jan Dj=C3=A4rv <jan.h.d@swipnet.se> wrot= e:
Hi.

> 23 sep 2013 kl. 15:43 skrev Lennart Borgman <le= nnart.borgman@gmail.com>:
>
> Some important things are of course still missing for new users: C-c a= nd C-x (only text is selected), C-v and C-z (always). Making cua-mode defau= lt would make those things much more stable. And better for new users.

That would be so wrong for new users on OSX.

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0Jan D.

Please educate me, Jan. Does not OSX use some variant CUA by defaul= t?
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