From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Lennart Borgman Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Yet another discussion on improving the first time user experience Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:32:13 +0200 Message-ID: References: <523ED74D.4030205@online.de> <87ioxs4zc9.fsf@informatimago.com> <87k3i8vj93.fsf@yandex.ru> <83bo3kk6hh.fsf@gnu.org> <87eh8gzee5.fsf@yandex.ru> <871u4go1bp.fsf@gmail.com> <837ge8jalb.fsf@gnu.org> <83txhbiyts.fsf@gnu.org> <83siwviwao.fsf@gnu.org> <00D135F7-2DCA-4C31-B1A3-DE2FF6344483@mit.edu> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: multipart/alternative; boundary=001a11c3851e82ac7c04e737cd95 X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1380127932 3117 80.91.229.3 (25 Sep 2013 16:52:12 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Wed, 25 Sep 2013 16:52:12 +0000 (UTC) Cc: =?UTF-8?Q?Jan_Dj=C3=A4rv?= , Emacs-Devel devel To: chad Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Wed Sep 25 18:52:15 2013 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([208.118.235.17]) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1VOsJx-0002TK-8G for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 18:52:13 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([::1]:53890 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOs4x-0006tg-L2 for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:36:43 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([2001:4830:134:3::10]:59023) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOs1C-0002AK-Vw for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:32:55 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOs18-0004j8-2U for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:32:50 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-wg0-x22a.google.com ([2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a]:64069) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1VOs17-0004ip-OJ for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 12:32:46 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-wg0-f42.google.com with SMTP id m15so5101629wgh.1 for ; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:32:44 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20120113; h=mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-type; bh=GYwE2yz6uETgL01rYdwwHEDJ3m6nWVQ9+Pb8b0zdUfY=; b=gStYEnkKZfncpVqRHwUMCL6iDJb8T/cHXrL0+KrwgaS25VFGXooOOpN8NOKeHs1AN4 /0QlmqhBfsk/C1Y0mqxgzwNRk84Kg9+5USat7/8iQHUi3cPLXHFJ+muV851T4ws2Xx8A gtM8sYP5QSew4y04/dw4SDu3TfHFF8wC+F3qedBysTyPoaRO93dJt+/4xMsVp781Gfid J6wOeszyfPkhM2cQxjZP8E0mQmQ/xKDw9IwzkY8vZOIA2a1jJiOghY8MpITXgV+L5byx 3oSCFf4yCBOkrDiE1JuWEK9lBKhKGvH9irQIL+6gpO6GYQklSQZ6JnH7kakITbpa+ssj cnuA== X-Received: by 10.180.206.129 with SMTP id lo1mr23393740wic.15.1380126763950; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:32:43 -0700 (PDT) Original-Received: by 10.194.240.41 with HTTP; Wed, 25 Sep 2013 09:32:13 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <00D135F7-2DCA-4C31-B1A3-DE2FF6344483@mit.edu> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Error: Malformed IPv6 address (bad octet value). X-Received-From: 2a00:1450:400c:c00::22a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.14 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:163637 Archived-At: --001a11c3851e82ac7c04e737cd95 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM, chad wrote: > Jan answered your question right before you asked it. > > On 24 Sep 2013, at 13:48, Lennart Borgman > wrote: > > >> ...The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, Cmd-x= , > Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applications in Emac= s. > > > > I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in > other applications on OSX? Is there another standard? > > > To reiterate, in macosx, those commands use the Command key (also > called the `clover key' in older macos versions) instead of Control. > It's next to the space bar, and labelled both `command' and =E2=8C=98. On > macosx, Emacs already uses these key combinations, as Jan mentioned. > > I'll admit that I was tempted to say this before, but decided that > internet communication, Windows- versus macosx- versus unix-habits, > first-language differences, and a general desire to assume the > better rather than worse in the community changed my mind. > > I hope that helps, > ~Chad Thanks Chad. There is nothing wrong with assuming that the other person do not know what you know. As long as you do not consider it a deficit. --001a11c3851e82ac7c04e737cd95 Content-Type: text/html; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Wed, Sep 25, 2013 at 5:42 PM, chad &l= t;yandros@mit.edu> wrote:
Jan answered your question right before you asked it.

On 24 Sep 2013, at 13:48, Lennart Borgman <lennart.b= orgman@gmail.com> wrote:

>> ...The OSX equivalents to C-c, C-v, C-x. C-z (i.e. Cmd-C, Cmd-v, C= md-x, Cmd-z) and more already work as they do in other OSX applications in = Emacs.
>
> I see. I had no idea of that. What do people use for copy/paste etc in= other applications on OSX? Is there another standard?


To reiterate, in macosx, those commands use the Command key (also
called the `clover key' in older macos versions) instead of Control. It's next to the space bar, and labelled both `command' and =E2=8C= =98. On
macosx, Emacs already uses these key combinations, as Jan mentioned.

I'll admit that I was tempted to say this before, but decided that
internet communication, Windows- versus macosx- versus unix-habits,
first-language differences, and a general desire to assume the
better rather than worse in the community changed my mind.

I hope that helps,
~Chad

Thanks Chad. There is nothing wrong with assumi= ng that the other person do not know what you know. As long as you do not c= onsider it a deficit.
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