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That's all we know. X-Spam_score_int: -20 X-Spam_score: -2.1 X-Spam_bar: -- X-Spam_report: (-2.1 / 5.0 requ) BAYES_00=-1.9, DKIM_SIGNED=0.1, DKIM_VALID=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_AU=-0.1, DKIM_VALID_EF=-0.1, FREEMAIL_FROM=0.001, HTML_MESSAGE=0.001, RCVD_IN_DNSWL_NONE=-0.0001, SPF_HELO_NONE=0.001, SPF_PASS=-0.001 autolearn=ham autolearn_force=no X-Spam_action: no action X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:256631 Archived-At: --00000000000034cbdc05b0639e1b Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:52 PM Bob Newell wrote: > > I don't want Emacs to be Visual Studio. I certainly don't want > it to be like an office suite with toolbars and ribbons filled > with incomprehensible icons. I'm comfortable with the idea of > putting in effort to get a lot more back in return. In turn, I > recognize the need to keep the community active by bringing in > new people. It's a balancing act but if we don't stay true to > the core concepts of Emacs, which to me are unrivaled power > and flexibility with a minimalist, unobtrusive interface, > I think we will have gone in an unfortunate direction. I agree wholeheartedly. If I look at other todo apps...they have either too many features or too few, and most importantly, almost every user complains something doesn't work the way they want... org-mode has none of those problems: it's flexible and adaptable to the core. --00000000000034cbdc05b0639e1b Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
On Sun, Sep 27, 2020 at 8:52 PM Bob Newell &l= t;bobnewell@bo= bnewell.net> wrote:
> I don&= #39;t want Emacs to be Visual Studio. I certainly don't want
> i= t to be like an office suite with toolbars and ribbons filled
> with= incomprehensible icons. I'm comfortable with the idea of
> putt= ing in effort to get a lot more back in return. In turn, I
> recogn= ize the need to keep the community active by bringing in
> new peopl= e. It's a balancing act but if we don't stay true to
> the c= ore concepts of Emacs, which to me are unrivaled power
> and flexibi= lity with a minimalist, unobtrusive interface,
> I think we will hav= e gone in an unfortunate direction.

I agree wholehe= artedly.

If I look at other todo apps...they have eithe= r too many features
or too few, and m= ost importantly, almost every user complains
something doesn't work the way they want... org-mode has
<= div class=3D"gmail_default" style=3D"font-family:arial,helvetica,sans-serif= ;font-size:small;color:#000000">none of those problems: it's flexible a= nd adaptable to the core.
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