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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:261105 Archived-At: --0000000000005d5c2e05b6a99c37 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" > It seems to me that the challenge is Bringing people willing to > offer support and people willing to pay together. I spy a startup/business opportunity: Start a platform that lets people subscribe and lets people who want to provide support get paid. Use Stripe for billing, etc. I would build this myself if I had more time. On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:49 AM Vasilij Schneidermann wrote: > > Does anyone want to offer support for Emacs? > > Plenty people offer support on community-run platforms such as Reddit > and Stackexchange. There's also the #emacs channel on Freenode to > consider. I've considered doing the jump to something more binding > before (like writing elisp at an hourly rate), but didn't find many > people actually willing to pay for that. It seems to me that the > challenge is Bringing people willing to offer support and people willing > to pay together. > > > I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would > > be a difficult way to run such a business. > > There are several fund raising platforms (Patreon being the most > well-known, but not the only one) that aim to incentivize a group of > people to support creators for a small monthly fee (usually between 1 to > 20 dollar), given enough of them, it is possible for the most popular > creators to live off that. I support a few Emacs Lisp hackers that way > and I expect more of them to get into such platforms. > > Another thing to consider is funding in general. There is this > widespread misbelief that one can support the development of Emacs and > Emacs packages by donating to the FSF. Giving people an official option > to that effect might be worth looking into. > --0000000000005d5c2e05b6a99c37 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
> It seems to me that = the=C2=A0challenge is Bringing people willing to
> offer support and people willing=C2=A0to pay together.

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get paid.

Use Stripe= for billing, etc.

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I would build this myself if I had m= ore time.

On Thu, Dec 17, 2020 at 5:49 AM Vasilij Schneidermann= <mail@vasilij.de> wrote:
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> Does anyone wan= t to offer support for Emacs?

Plenty people offer support on community-run platforms such as Reddit
and Stackexchange. There's also the #emacs channel on Freenode to
consider. I've considered doing the jump to something more binding
before (like writing elisp at an hourly rate), but didn't find many
people actually willing to pay for that. It seems to me that the
challenge is Bringing people willing to offer support and people willing to pay together.

> I have a feeling that a flat rate of 5 or 15 dollars a month would
> be a difficult way to run such a business.

There are several fund raising platforms (Patreon being the most
well-known, but not the only one) that aim to incentivize a group of
people to support creators for a small monthly fee (usually between 1 to 20 dollar), given enough of them, it is possible for the most popular
creators to live off that. I support a few Emacs Lisp hackers that way
and I expect more of them to get into such platforms.

Another thing to consider is funding in general. There is this
widespread misbelief that one can support the development of Emacs and
Emacs packages by donating to the FSF. Giving people an official option
to that effect might be worth looking into.
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