>> Emacs.Geometry: 100x59+2+2 >> >> Without Cairo: >> Width: 818 >> Height: 1022 >> >> With Cairo: >> Width: 818 >> Height: 962 >> >> So for the same screen height, I gain 4 lines of text when using Cairo. > > What does ‘frame-geometry’ return for those frames? Without Cairo: ((outer-position 2 . 2) (outer-size 820 . 1044) (external-border-size 1 . 21) (title-bar-size 0 . -20) (menu-bar-external) (menu-bar-size 818 . 17) (tool-bar-external) (tool-bar-position . top) (tool-bar-size 0 . 0) (internal-border-width . 1)) With Cairo: ((outer-position 2 . 2) (outer-size 820 . 984) (external-border-size 1 . 21) (title-bar-size 0 . -20) (menu-bar-external) (menu-bar-size 818 . 16) (tool-bar-external) (tool-bar-position . top) (tool-bar-size 0 . 0) (internal-border-width . 1)) And I attach two screen shots for with and without cairo. To my eyes it is the gap between lines that is different. Yuan