From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Tadeus Prastowo Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: [RFE] Migration to gitlab Date: Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:46:10 +0100 Message-ID: References: <1552789070.5272.1@yandex.ru> <1552791707.5272.2@yandex.ru> <1552793646.5272.3@yandex.ru> <1552821396.21432.0@yandex.ru> <83imwhwf4x.fsf@gnu.org> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="239383"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Eli Zaretskii , theophilusx@gmail.com, Emacs developers , Konstantin Kharlamov , Dmitry Gutov To: Philippe Vaucher Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Tue Mar 19 13:47:48 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1h6E9k-0010AL-Cp for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 13:47:48 +0100 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:56855 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h6E9j-0003Jb-Ag for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:47:47 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:42250) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h6E8P-0003IF-Er for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:46:26 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h6E8O-00065s-53 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:46:25 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-it1-x135.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::135]:56189) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1h6E8N-000642-62 for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 08:46:24 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-it1-x135.google.com with SMTP id z126so22950538itd.5 for ; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 05:46:22 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=unitn.it; s=google; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4q7PxjHOg5eV3pO+E/NVeDee56LjCTs4q+CmBuBBSXo=; b=ROmqtgKJFbxKQmmE2NW2xooh3s6gRUPLUo0d54dmrq0fzcoU8BbDD3wvBpDKRRci31 H0vdfFJGfG6erMy8swY1u1RfP5Sh1vmiss22Q94T8ePAzcgzjOzolab3MHYnEJNoM/Pt RtcluEFLWMGvP0fRAbYAe0u2Jh7YA3HoyJaNw= X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=4q7PxjHOg5eV3pO+E/NVeDee56LjCTs4q+CmBuBBSXo=; b=fkMsciaKffyQfjIEh6uL9ts2ICI1+Hpa6kOrucF//IhdMhZe+BpiWWrxEaqH6ANy1z zXIkR0Vv2wHItJeDmc1cCx0EV0fPsGJmnsGhy5XvtoeqJgxJXPdgvn7pvn0iIj9068ti J1qRNFYyha8l1kgWMasHVQKR3tfRkXjbRh/lOXB2a/BAeOC6RYEeDkdPa/wL4uVkyvZ8 Qm5Sf1sTz7UKdcm7ca9z1eoe8qGPRwbJhSrWsGILRxIYymQp+nrVPcZgkJwPpUxfMC8d qHk5/xJN571OX2CN0GNMG8j6RXarNAlZ99Q5UFa+aN8VBwcDauanticcGBOHFEWvQAnI XEKA== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAWDHOr81cZ0cSGJwXK6+F2T9zd8ha70XQtSgrOtDFClnTUndSZ9 6pR9SwCI/vVIfmb/Qj4ecg0sIy7sXNEd8tPFQyOF X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqwWAjEMw5e5y6o4/JZaotd4G91tQScP1EePmg53Tf0F8x+YBoycrPn1IXzSweu/QXO/iwxyC1QlcLLo6TCzaT8= X-Received: by 2002:a05:660c:6c5:: with SMTP id z5mr1124723itk.160.1552999581266; Tue, 19 Mar 2019 05:46:21 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. 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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:234365 Archived-At: On Tue, Mar 19, 2019 at 1:31 PM Philippe Vaucher wrote: >> >> > I believe this whole discussion is basically this: the ones who are us= ed to a gitlab workflow see the obvious benefits, and the ones who only use= the email workflow don't see what's so great about it because they always = find a manual/configuration-heavy way to achieve the same. >> > >> > I think the manual/configuration-heavy way is not very smooth and make= s _you_ work instead of the tools, when this effort could be better spent i= mproving Emacs. >> >> IMO, that point is moot when we are talking about making contributions >> to Emacs. Instead of an RFE to migrate to gitlab, an RFE for a >> package that, for example, enhances Emacs bug reporting so that it >> becomes a CI tool would be better, no? > > > Well, an Emacs custom-made CI tool will never be as complete, time-tested= , maintainted (etc) than a tool that is used by hundred of thousands of use= rs. No one knows what the future holds. Aside from that, the point of getting tested by being "used by hundred of thousands of users" is moot, especially for Emacs whose users are accustomed to fixing things themselves ;) > Also if any of these gitlab/github/etc users want to contribute to Emacs,= the time to start being "productive" is very low because they are used to = this workflow (and most of them are not used to the mailing list workflow). Then, they are free to have their own gitlab page, much like when distros maintain their own set of patches, pending upstream intake. Additionally, Linux kernel dev has Linux kernel newbies sites, right? > I think the effort required to understand & use the mailing list workflow= is quite significant at the start, then after a while you get used to it..= . but in my case I'd switch to the gitlab workflow as soon as it is availab= le. It's very likely that others here would switch too if it was available. My case is certainly the opposite. > Best regards, > Philippe -- Best regards, Tadeus