From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: Michael Witten Newsgroups: gmane.comp.gcc.devel,gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: clang and FSF's strategy Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:03:58 +0000 Message-ID: References: <20140121201949.21DE1380522@snark.thyrsus.com> <1390401184.29263.5.camel@Iris> NNTP-Posting-Host: plane.gmane.org Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset=UTF-8 Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable X-Trace: ger.gmane.org 1390471471 20593 80.91.229.3 (23 Jan 2014 10:04:31 GMT) X-Complaints-To: usenet@ger.gmane.org NNTP-Posting-Date: Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:04:31 +0000 (UTC) Cc: "Eric S. Raymond" , Richard Stallman , gcc Mailing List , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: =?UTF-8?Q?Jordi_Guti=C3=A9rrez_Hermoso?= Original-X-From: gcc-return-181673-gcc=m.gmane.org@gcc.gnu.org Thu Jan 23 11:04:39 2014 Return-path: Envelope-to: gcc@plane.gmane.org Original-Received: from server1.sourceware.org ([209.132.180.131] helo=sourceware.org) by plane.gmane.org with esmtp (Exim 4.69) (envelope-from ) id 1W6H9K-0003qi-FX for gcc@plane.gmane.org; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 11:04:38 +0100 DomainKey-Signature: a=rsa-sha1; c=nofws; d=gcc.gnu.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-archive:list-post:list-help:sender :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; q=dns; s= default; b=NYlDCFjg1UEuqFgxiO2lh5+urgRrcJgjS1JnV6iosg+3YZj4D0p4n f011O9hnqriXMpFvW4FW9ILUFTBpqkUgwPh8WlbhTxAbdRuiU5R+hJYYLF+Am0re XqScLvX8FbtXMB/NeYLavPFJwjb3BCY1uxIX26AtGUW2JtgIUAC1Nk= DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha1; c=relaxed; d=gcc.gnu.org; h=list-id :list-unsubscribe:list-archive:list-post:list-help:sender :mime-version:in-reply-to:references:from:date:message-id :subject:to:cc:content-type:content-transfer-encoding; s= default; bh=oTgzfA1f5XASeSbX29CVU426Bjw=; b=SpnY0rFh4x15nbsN53KV xiLuL+T/5qxAOb0MK0RSDrTG8OPg6bi3byCDljKJRc1vK7DqbH8skkJoH3xYBXdP V8jEYEUOJ5btwew4eWkNRqBRou20l0+Dj8rdCYLMoiLqhPlxi+4czFVv5LkvlGVh UYo/+PIR1bPGQhvXEc8sHFM= Original-Received: (qmail 3794 invoked by alias); 23 Jan 2014 10:04:33 -0000 Mailing-List: contact gcc-help@gcc.gnu.org; run by ezmlm Precedence: bulk List-Id: List-Unsubscribe: List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: Original-Sender: gcc-owner@gcc.gnu.org Original-Received: (qmail 3783 invoked by uid 89); 23 Jan 2014 10:04:31 -0000 Authentication-Results: sourceware.org; auth=none X-Virus-Found: No X-Spam-SWARE-Status: No, score=-2.4 required=5.0 tests=AWL,BAYES_00,FREEMAIL_FROM,RCVD_IN_DNSWL_LOW,SPF_PASS autolearn=ham version=3.3.2 X-HELO: mail-ig0-f175.google.com Original-Received: from mail-ig0-f175.google.com (HELO mail-ig0-f175.google.com) (209.85.213.175) by sourceware.org (qpsmtpd/0.93/v0.84-503-g423c35a) with (AES128-SHA encrypted) ESMTPS; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 10:04:30 +0000 Original-Received: by mail-ig0-f175.google.com with SMTP id uq10so16498341igb.2 for ; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:04:28 -0800 (PST) X-Received: by 10.50.43.225 with SMTP id z1mr7714139igl.41.1390471468686; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:04:28 -0800 (PST) Original-Received: by 10.50.236.42 with HTTP; Thu, 23 Jan 2014 02:03:58 -0800 (PST) In-Reply-To: <1390401184.29263.5.camel@Iris> X-IsSubscribed: yes Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.comp.gcc.devel:134117 gmane.emacs.devel:168942 Archived-At: On Wed, Jan 22, 2014 at 2:33 PM, Jordi Guti=C3=A9rrez Hermoso wrote: > The fact that these non-free tools are not based on gcc are a > testament to how proprietary software developers cannot plug into gcc, > and how clang is fostering non-free software. What does it matter whether clang fosters non-free software if clang *also* fosters free software? Indeed, non-free software inspires a lot of free software, anyway. Apparently, gcc isn't fostering much of anything, except for a desire to replace it with llvm/clang. Where there is the least friction, there is the most freedom.