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X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:400d:c0d::232 X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:224614 Archived-At: --f403045e8118839dbc0569dd1334 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" You can add my voice to "I'd rather just have in ELPA (and we should be moving more and more packages there). There was some cool idea a while ago to have even Emacs stable releases package some core deps directly from ELPA (similar to what languages like Ruby do). That simplifies the maintenance of Emacs itself and gives more flexibility to users to update stuff while waiting for new Emacs releases. On 15 April 2018 at 01:46, Joshua Branson wrote: > Eric Abrahamsen writes: > > > Joshua Branson writes: > > > >> That sounds pretty awesome, but does the bbdb package have any info > >> documentation? Not that it really matters, but it would be nice to > have. > >> > >> Also, may I ask about ebdb? Does ebdb ever have > >> a chance at making emacs core? > > > > Probably not! There's already push-back on including more packages in > > core, and the main argument for making an exception for BBDB (many > > packages are already "aware" of it) doesn't apply to EBDB. > > > > Personally, I belong to the "don't put more stuff in core" camp, and am > > happy keeping EBDB in ELPA. > > That makes sense. The more packages you have, the harder it must be to > maintain a stable emacs. > > > > > E > > --f403045e8118839dbc0569dd1334 Content-Type: text/html; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable
You can add my voice to "I'd rather just have in = ELPA (and we should be moving more and more packages there).

=
There was some cool idea a while ago to have even Emacs stable release= s package some core deps directly from ELPA (similar to
what lang= uages like Ruby do). That simplifies the maintenance of Emacs itself and gi= ves more flexibility to users to update stuff while waiting
for n= ew Emacs releases.=C2=A0

On 15 April 2018 at 01:46, Joshua Branson <jbranso@f= astmail.com> wrote:
Eric Abrahamsen <er= ic@ericabrahamsen.net> writes:

> Joshua Branson <jbranso@fas= tmail.com> writes:
>
>> That sounds pretty awesome, but does the bbdb package have any inf= o
>> documentation?=C2=A0 Not that it really matters, but it would be n= ice to have.
>>
>> Also, may I ask about ebdb?=C2=A0 Does ebdb ever have
>> a chance at making emacs core?
>
> Probably not! There's already push-back on including more packages= in
> core, and the main argument for making an exception for BBDB (many
> packages are already "aware" of it) doesn't apply to EBD= B.
>
> Personally, I belong to the "don't put more stuff in core&quo= t; camp, and am
> happy keeping EBDB in ELPA.

That makes sense.=C2=A0 The more packages you have, the harder it mu= st be to
maintain a stable emacs.

>
> E


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