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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:209642 Archived-At: On Sat, Nov 26, 2016 at 7:19 AM, Phillip Lord wrote: > Noam Postavsky writes: >>> I have no idea what percentage of those commits are actually necessary >>> -- the unfortunate reality is that you can only test this with a full >>> bootstrap build which is something that most developers do rarely. >> >> My guess is that with the smaller ldefs-boot-auto it will be necessary >> more often. But maybe not enough to matter, hard to say. > > Actually, it should be *necessary* exactly as often as now. We need a > certain number of autoloads to bootstrap. Both ldefs-boot-auto and > ldefs-boot provide these. But ldefs-boot provides many more as well. Yes, and sometimes the extra ones that ldefs-boot provides could become necessary. In that case there wouldn't be a need to regenerate because they're already there. When using ldefs-boot-auto we would need to regenerate. Does that sound right? >>> Does it? bootstrap-clean and bootstrap-build cannot be run in parallel >>> anyway. >> >> Right. And I think the definitions you put would let make run them in >> parallel, thus breaking things. > > > bootstrap: | bootstrap-clean bootstrap-build > > ? I think it should be bootstrap: bootstrap-clean bootstrap-build boostrap-build: | bootstrap-clean