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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:190993 Archived-At: On Mon, Oct 5, 2015 at 12:02 PM, John Wiegley wrote: > [snip] > Another area we're falling behind in is the type of IDE features that are > taken for granted in special-purpose editing environments, such as effortless > code browsing, refactoring, and more interactive debugging. The things you can > do when editing Java and Javascript are downright impressive, and I see no > reason Emacs can't compete better here. > [snip] > > John > Hi, As a daily Emacs user, I would like to submit that the above snippet is keenly important. I would urge maintainers to run Visual Studio (C#) and IntelliJ(Java) and experiment with their capabilities.... then beat them in Emacs. Using SLIME and the Rust completion user interfaces is still a subpar UI experience compared to IntelliJ or VS. I would hope that the maintainer would accept the task of beating proprietary software capabilities head to head (not a simple task!), instead of simply being excellent. :-)