From mboxrd@z Thu Jan 1 00:00:00 1970 Path: news.gmane.org!.POSTED.blaine.gmane.org!not-for-mail From: =?UTF-8?Q?Bj=C3=B6rn_Lindqvist?= Newsgroups: gmane.emacs.devel Subject: Re: Bloat in the Emacs Windows package Date: Fri, 19 Apr 2019 02:02:31 +0200 Message-ID: References: <87v9zcczlf.fsf@russet.org.uk> Mime-Version: 1.0 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable Injection-Info: blaine.gmane.org; posting-host="blaine.gmane.org:195.159.176.226"; logging-data="95461"; mail-complaints-to="usenet@blaine.gmane.org" Cc: Stefan Monnier , emacs-devel@gnu.org To: Phillip Lord Original-X-From: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Fri Apr 19 01:59:42 2019 Return-path: Envelope-to: ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org Original-Received: from lists.gnu.org ([209.51.188.17]) by blaine.gmane.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_256_CBC_SHA1:256) (Exim 4.89) (envelope-from ) id 1hHGwQ-000OiM-8z for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Fri, 19 Apr 2019 01:59:42 +0200 Original-Received: from localhost ([127.0.0.1]:48863 helo=lists.gnu.org) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hHGwP-0002jm-3V for ged-emacs-devel@m.gmane.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:59:41 -0400 Original-Received: from eggs.gnu.org ([209.51.188.92]:58199) by lists.gnu.org with esmtp (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hHGvq-0002jh-DD for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:59:07 -0400 Original-Received: from Debian-exim by eggs.gnu.org with spam-scanned (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hHGvp-0003oW-EF for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:59:06 -0400 Original-Received: from mail-ua1-x92e.google.com ([2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e]:46327) by eggs.gnu.org with esmtps (TLS1.0:RSA_AES_128_CBC_SHA1:16) (Exim 4.71) (envelope-from ) id 1hHGvp-0003n3-9r for emacs-devel@gnu.org; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 19:59:05 -0400 Original-Received: by mail-ua1-x92e.google.com with SMTP id v7so1296499uak.13 for ; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:59:04 -0700 (PDT) DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=gmail.com; s=20161025; h=mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date:message-id:subject:to :cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tYQkIDeFkfpgooF9wgu4nRSN2XCWjuLnM3WKm2HranE=; b=BdKapIDLoRhgROY1M1zYF28RHItOF6zlTm5vrsovAM2a2pKUXpMLdv7+Gc34rN7m59 VlyZT4esUuuR9Q8mECT4ifs5cp8g5ze9NjMKVX6AXedc1+nlwcSrrdo93+BuntoXhSMy gE4jxjVxppICjpD+yvkg04vfQqsNcr4RJiTZwirw84re2KtAhryd6tN49vIZRYErQ7xR 7d7T8bffSq6TpiyHInKmYmBS60uzanCAYg8dhi9Edq1eAHdCdJAf/1R/WevyicOhUhX5 jER4H+Ko83tQmw6pQi1RUaUK54mkry6SBR2qoGciOzTJMGRdznGr4oDXGafr5qSo9n7E 097w== X-Google-DKIM-Signature: v=1; a=rsa-sha256; c=relaxed/relaxed; d=1e100.net; s=20161025; h=x-gm-message-state:mime-version:references:in-reply-to:from:date :message-id:subject:to:cc:content-transfer-encoding; bh=tYQkIDeFkfpgooF9wgu4nRSN2XCWjuLnM3WKm2HranE=; b=JOrOWZand+z1WtNiPt9gs34B2gdPQ69Z3pHS7YnzYTFBRu4eJ0nDPMk25664P3uHYV c+uHc/o78i4h1ezkGeLPdsuvASTlnUbgytQfNbk/rvRrBuI7pv8XWEdYARnoqqG+PYuP 5Fxffhd5ObhKxKo25H4JuXEMzSTRqMjP26YT3ieZAtBtUEcTTfjGknpc+5yCAkm0Ktk9 ZXLPhBl6MSssPtkYTi11UagxeKJ8avsdH3wIb/I1BkKJfFqAd3FVCBim2cr9G5FrVAbA /gzdgQSl1yarm2Q2ME5JWLzjmbtP7yziH1g0rWiN/VDfYpsnYV2WRZKM/CASJ7EP4s1t vUkQ== X-Gm-Message-State: APjAAAW2LR1K8kP5gdikOmn7/sXaz1/8UKdOCMIs65UGNW2ElRR60vAu o0w2keGf/Gr+bKgPUBQpXlbT7UcwbJe8aQNpdVdQ0wUc X-Google-Smtp-Source: APXvYqz89SGTGyYQfmmy+yUxYVwAz2zxeehQiNChnGQ/r5nfUayqB1/kgvqfCbGuw2tGJ2ED1B/xvH1IdI5IS6XGz20= X-Received: by 2002:ab0:14ce:: with SMTP id f14mr530796uae.50.1555631943757; Thu, 18 Apr 2019 16:59:03 -0700 (PDT) In-Reply-To: <87v9zcczlf.fsf@russet.org.uk> X-detected-operating-system: by eggs.gnu.org: Genre and OS details not recognized. X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::92e X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.21 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.org gmane.emacs.devel:235640 Archived-At: Den ons 17 apr. 2019 kl 19:27 skrev Phillip Lord : > It's also possible to turn on NTFS file compression which will remove > both this and lots of other duplications in the Emacs install. AFAIK, > this is a user option, however, although I might be able to do it with > the installer version for Emacs-27. True, but remember that not all Windows users have administrator access on their machines. For example, a loooong way back in university we students had to create a Java project using NetBeans (or was it Eclipse? IntelliJ? I don't remember) on Windows. I didn't like NetBeans so I instead installed Emacs (21 I think) to my H: drive which was 500M of personal space allocated to each student. A few years later while on vacation in southern Europe I had to write a (paper) letter to some government agency. I didn't have a laptop with me, so I instead went to an internet cafe, downloaded Emacs into a temporary directory, wrote the letter in Emacs and printed it. Now in each of these cases I didn't have to use Emacs. I could have used NetBeans as the instructor wanted and I could have written my letter in write.exe. But it felt nice that Emacs had my back and that I could work the way I wanted. If Emacs would have been to slow to download, or taken up to much disk space, I wouldn't have been able to. Since then, both bandwidth and disk space has gotten cheaper. But I bet there are still lots of situations where Emacs' smallness is important. Especially in poorer parts of the world. -- mvh/best regards Bj=C3=B6rn Lindqvist