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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:299248 Archived-At: --00000000000086008405eccba2ed Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 3:13 AM Richard Stallman wrote: > If CL packages still have the misfeature of searching a list of > packages for one that has a symbol 'foobar' in it, and deciding > what `foobar' in your code means based on that, > then they are inexcusable bad design and we must not implement them. > > If they no longer have that misfeature, maybe they are ok. If you're talking about the :USE directive, you don't have to employ it: it's not mandatory for CL packages to be immensely better. But it's very useful and convenient in specific, well-understood situations. 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On Sat, Nov 5, 2022 at 3:13 AM Richard Stallman <rms@gnu.org> wrote:

> If CL packa= ges still have the misfeature of searching a list of
> packages for o= ne that has a symbol 'foobar' in it, and deciding
> what `foo= bar' in your code means based on that,
> then they are inexcusabl= e bad design and we must not implement them.
>
> If they n= o longer have that misfeature, maybe they are ok.

= If you're talking about the :USE directive, you don't have to emplo= y it: it's not
mandatory for CL packages to be immensely bett= er. But it's very useful=C2=A0 and
convenient in specifi= c, well-understood situations.=C2=A0 If you're talking about
=
something else, I don't know what it might me.

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