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List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:301948 Archived-At: --000000000000fb248705f0c404b4 Content-Type: text/plain; charset="UTF-8" Content-Transfer-Encoding: quoted-printable On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 11:49 PM Milan Glacier wrote: > > >I'm afraid mode options will make this even more > >complicated. And what's with that defvar? > > use-package is really a magic. But nobody uses a blank `(use-package > foo)`, usually a simple and pracctical use-package call would be > something like this: > > (use-package foo > :config (setq foo-1 nil) > :init (setq foo-2 nil) > :hook ((python-mode emacs-lisp-mode) . foo-mode)) > > which specifies the code to be evaluated before foo is loaded (:init > part), the code to be evaluated after foo is loaded (:config part), and > the hook related to this package, which expands to: > My expansion of that same form is larger and harder to read, with condition-case and variables and stuff. But it would seem that the fluff overhead is constant, which is good. So I get your point: with enough practice, it's easy to see the primitives in use. > (I personally am not a fan of use-package, I don't think it brings any > thing new. Often I need to expand it to see if its behavior is expected, > then why shouldn't I just write plain setq, add-hook stuffs directly?) > Exactly. 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On Mon, Dec 26, 2022 at 11:49 PM Milan Gl= acier <news@milanglacier.com> wrote:

>I'm afraid mode options will make this even more
>complicated.=C2=A0 And what's with that defvar?

use-package is really a magic. But nobody uses a blank `(use-package
foo)`, usually a simple and pracctical use-package call would be
something like this:

=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0(use-package foo
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:config (setq foo-1 nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:init (setq foo-2 nil)
=C2=A0 =C2=A0 =C2=A0:hook ((python-mode emacs-lisp-mode) . foo-mode))

which specifies the code to be evaluated before foo is loaded (:init
part), the code to be evaluated after foo is loaded (:config part), and
the hook related to this package, which expands to:

(I personally am not a fan of use-package, I don't think it brings any<= br> thing new. Often I need to expand it to see if its behavior is expected, then why shouldn't I just write plain setq, add-hook stuffs directly?)<= br>

Exactly.

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