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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2a X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248450 Archived-At: On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 2:47 PM Dmitry Gutov wrote: > > On 02.05.2020 16:34, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora wrote: > > I bet you'll find people that think it has the best naming. I kind of l= ike it. > > If the name strpbrk speaks to your heart, more power to you. > > But let's not use it as an argument that function names don't need to > convey information. As Philippe himself has pointed out, there's the trade-off between convey information and a long-a$$ name, for example. So we _can_ use that as argument, in the opposite part of the spectrum. I for one think that expecting names to tell us everything, or even a lot, is naive, a losing battle. And, yes, naming _is_ hard it's one of the 2 hard ones along with cache invalidation and off-by-one. Jo=C3=A3o