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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru>
Cc: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>,
	dancol@dancol.org, casouri@gmail.com, emacs-devel@gnu.org,
	theo@thornhill.no
Subject: Re: treesit indentation "blinking"
Date: Thu, 30 Mar 2023 11:00:00 +0100	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm53DK_0==Bt7-QH4srNgzT9TjU3wseMMVOUjief2LyWZxg@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <4d8df485-adcb-64f3-742f-37c9a9a40f65@yandex.ru>

On Thu, Mar 30, 2023 at 10:36 AM Dmitry Gutov <dgutov@yandex.ru> wrote:
>
> On 30/03/2023 12:28, João Távora wrote:
> > This problematic already counts as "bouncing" to me, for some meaning of
> > "bouncing". c++-mode doesn't behave like that because indentation is
> > already where it is supposed to be if you type that sequence of
> > keystrokes.
>
> Okay, if that's what you meant.
>
> I think this one (indentation after RET in an incomplete function
> definition) should be fixed in the indentation rules. The contents of
> electric-indent-chars won't fix it either way.

This is all down to indentation rules, that's how electric-indent-mode
decides what to do.  My point is that having electric-indent-chars be
this ambitious with "broken" indentation rules isn't a good place to
be.

What counts as "broken" indentation is also arguable though. When dealing
with invalid programs, there is really no "right" or "wrong" indentation.
See my message https://debbugs.gnu.org/cgi/bugreport.cgi?bug=62412#14 where
I show cases where c++-ts-mode's answer to indenting an invalid program
makes more sense than c++-mode's answer.

Whatever the indentation rules, the current bouncing is so jarring
that it really doesn't encourage people to try switching to
c++-ts-mode, get used to its set of indentation rules, and then perhaps
experience its other benefits like, say, performance or simplicity.

At least it didn't for me.  I'm back to c++-mode atm.

In my opinion electric-indent-char should be reduced to the default
and should be added criteriously as the indentation rules they trigger
are fixed.

João



  reply	other threads:[~2023-03-30 10:00 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 73+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
2023-03-22 20:49 treesit indentation "blinking" Daniel Colascione
2023-03-23  0:00 ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-23  0:07   ` Daniel Colascione
2023-03-23  1:02     ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-23  4:51       ` Daniel Colascione
2023-03-23 20:04         ` Yuan Fu
2023-03-23 21:10           ` Daniel Colascione
2023-03-23 21:24             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25  9:05               ` João Távora
2023-03-25 12:42                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-25 14:42                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-25 16:18                     ` João Távora
2023-03-28 22:11                       ` João Távora
2023-03-28 23:57                         ` Daniel Colascione
2023-03-29  2:26                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-29 22:30                           ` João Távora
2023-03-29 22:37                             ` Herman, Géza
2023-03-29 23:25                               ` João Távora
2023-03-30  7:47                                 ` Herman, Géza
2023-03-29 22:56                             ` Lynn Winebarger
2023-03-30  7:43                             ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30  8:58                               ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-30  9:15                                 ` João Távora
2023-03-30  9:06                               ` João Távora
2023-03-30  9:20                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-30  9:28                                   ` João Távora
2023-03-30  9:36                                     ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-30 10:00                                       ` João Távora [this message]
2023-03-30 16:29                                         ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-30 17:14                                           ` João Távora
2023-03-30 10:07                                 ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 10:26                                   ` Herman, Géza
2023-03-30 13:39                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 15:03                                       ` Herman, Géza
2023-03-30 14:58                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-01 19:39                                       ` Yuan Fu
2023-04-02  1:49                                         ` Yuan Fu
2023-04-02  5:31                                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02 14:26                                           ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-04-02 15:48                                             ` João Távora
2023-04-02 17:04                                               ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-04-02 17:23                                                 ` João Távora
2023-04-02 17:51                                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02 18:04                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-02 18:14                                                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-04-02 21:38                                                         ` João Távora
2023-04-02 21:21                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-02 21:40                                                     ` João Távora
2023-04-03  9:59                                                     ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-04-03 10:28                                                       ` João Távora
2023-04-03 12:07                                                       ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-03 12:56                                                         ` Alan Mackenzie
2023-04-03 20:58                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-03 21:59                                                         ` Daniel Colascione
2023-04-03 22:10                                                           ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-04  8:31                                                           ` João Távora
2023-04-07 14:20                                                           ` Daniel Martín
2023-04-08  1:32                                                             ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-08  2:42                                                               ` Yuan Fu
2023-04-08 18:59                                                               ` Daniel Martín
2023-04-03 21:47                                             ` parser error recovery algorithm vs " Stephen Leake
2023-04-04 12:01                                               ` John Yates
2023-04-04 13:40                                                 ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-04-04 16:00                                                   ` Stephen Leake
2023-04-04 13:50                                                 ` Stephen Leake
2023-04-04 14:05                                                   ` Dmitry Gutov
2023-03-30 11:05                                   ` João Távora
2023-03-30 14:00                                     ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 14:43                                       ` João Távora
2023-03-30 14:52                                         ` Eli Zaretskii
2023-03-30 15:42                                           ` João Távora
2023-03-25 16:14                   ` João Távora
2023-03-24 11:39             ` Eli Zaretskii

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