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From: "João Távora" <joaotavora@gmail.com>
To: Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org>
Cc: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>,
	emacs-devel <emacs-devel@gnu.org>
Subject: Re: Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property
Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 17:05:26 +0000	[thread overview]
Message-ID: <CALDnm53D2Kk4yyhV2KDjkg8ibQA3+-T2vwyg2eAX-nM9v_MeGA@mail.gmail.com> (raw)
In-Reply-To: <83zhri17dg.fsf@gnu.org>

On Wed, Jan 30, 2019 at 3:41 PM Eli Zaretskii <eliz@gnu.org> wrote:
>
> > From: Stefan Monnier <monnier@iro.umontreal.ca>
> > Date: Wed, 30 Jan 2019 04:37:32 -0500
> >
> > > A 'face' property is documented for general use only for text, not for
> > > symbol plists.
> >
> > But the `category` text-property uses as text-properties the properties
> > of a symbol, so there is a real conflict in our current design.
>
> The 'category' symbols aren't faces, so there's no problem here.  the
> 'face' property has special meaning only on symbols that name a face.

Except when they are.  There is no rule in Emacs that says the same
symbol can't be used for multiple purposes. In fact, that is mostly the
Lisp way (functions, variables, fringe bitmaps, tests, etc, etc), at least
for the Lisps I'm familiar with.

So IMO it's not a trivial issue in neither theory or practice. Agreeing
with Stefan, if it's not too much trouble, I would like Emacs to not
violate this basic principle.

If it's not possible, then I think we must mention in the documentation
node about categories that 'face' is an obsolete alias for 'category-face'
(and add somewhere else that 'face', despite it's innocent-looking
name shouldn't be used at all).

João



  reply	other threads:[~2019-01-30 17:05 UTC|newest]

Thread overview: 41+ messages / expand[flat|nested]  mbox.gz  Atom feed  top
     [not found] <20190128152540.6870.46132@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
     [not found] ` <20190128152541.12A4D20B50@vcs0.savannah.gnu.org>
2019-01-28 16:05   ` [Emacs-diffs] master cd06d17: Fix bug with face-id after restoring from pdump Daniel Colascione
2019-01-28 18:14     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-28 19:37       ` Daniel Colascione
2019-01-28 20:19         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-28 17:58   ` Glenn Morris
2019-01-28 20:05     ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-28 20:12     ` Flymake and the 'face' property (was: master cd06d17: Fix bug with face-id after restoring from pdump) Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-28 20:39       ` João Távora
2019-01-28 20:57         ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-28 21:38           ` João Távora
2019-01-29 16:54             ` Eli Zaretskii
     [not found]               ` <CALDnm53FnkT+fjneg3uLNMsCu1MxJK1aKWQyvz85EjVdOyr4bg@mail.gmail.com>
2019-01-29 17:26                 ` Fwd: " João Távora
2019-01-29 17:51                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 17:54                     ` Daniel Colascione
2019-01-29 18:30                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 18:43                         ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property Daniel Colascione
2019-01-29 19:19                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 18:47                       ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property (was: master cd06d17: Fix bug with face-id after restoring from pdump) João Távora
2019-01-29 18:53                         ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property Daniel Colascione
2019-01-29 19:00                           ` João Távora
2019-01-29 19:21                         ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property (was: master cd06d17: Fix bug with face-id after restoring from pdump) Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 19:28                           ` João Távora
2019-01-29 18:28                     ` João Távora
2019-01-29 18:34                     ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property Johan Bockgård
2019-01-29 18:49                       ` João Távora
2019-01-29 19:17                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 19:33                         ` João Távora
2019-01-29 19:48                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-29 19:58                             ` João Távora
2019-01-30  9:37                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-01-30 15:40                       ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-30 17:05                         ` João Távora [this message]
2019-01-30 18:01                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-01-30 20:56                         ` Stefan Monnier
2019-01-31  3:38                           ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-02  8:23                             ` Stefan Monnier
2019-02-02 10:12                               ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-02 22:49                                 ` Stefan Monnier
2019-02-03  3:39                                   ` Eli Zaretskii
2019-02-03 12:35                                     ` Stefan Monnier
2019-01-29 17:52                   ` Fwd: Flymake and the 'face' property (was: master cd06d17: Fix bug with face-id after restoring from pdump) Daniel Colascione

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