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Location : parse_addr6(), p0f-client.c:67 X-Received-From: 2607:f8b0:4864:20::d2f X-BeenThere: emacs-devel@gnu.org X-Mailman-Version: 2.1.23 Precedence: list List-Id: "Emacs development discussions." List-Unsubscribe: , List-Archive: List-Post: List-Help: List-Subscribe: , Errors-To: emacs-devel-bounces+ged-emacs-devel=m.gmane-mx.org@gnu.org Original-Sender: "Emacs-devel" Xref: news.gmane.io gmane.emacs.devel:248424 Archived-At: On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 1:36 PM =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 wrote: > > > > 2020. 5. 2. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 9:21, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: > > > > =EF=BB=BFOn Sat, May 2, 2020 at 1:11 PM =EC=A1=B0=EC=84=B1=EB=B9=88 wrote: > >> > >> > >> 2020. 5. 2. =EC=98=A4=ED=9B=84 9:03, Jo=C3=A3o T=C3=A1vora =EC=9E=91=EC=84=B1: > >> > >> =EF=BB=BF > >>> On Sat, May 2, 2020 at 12:40 PM Philippe Vaucher wrote: > >>>>> > >>>>>> Interesting point. I think that could work, but wouldn't it be muc= h easier if the language itself was self-documenting? > >>>>> > >>>>> Maybe, but that entails changing the language, by definition. And = you > >>>>> will face resistance because languages are things people kinda grow > >>>>> accustomed to. Imagine if I told you the French language should no= w > >>>>> also include all the words of Portuguese, because, you know, they'r= e > >>>>> just better. Even worse with macros. It's like I told you not only = you > >>>>> have to learn Portuguese words, but its grammar, too. > >>> > >>> > >>> Well I propose to add new-style APIs. People can still use the old on= es. > >> > >> But they would have to learn to read programs in the new stuff, no? > >> > >> > >> Well learning the new stuff will be much easier & predictive if done w= ell (and that=E2=80=99s the point). > > > > OK, but don't you think it's a little presumptuous to assume that? > > To assume that people will find (your) new language easier make > > space for it in their minds? Languages, especially the general > > purpose parts of language, are very personal and cultural. Can't > > you see how this has certain echoes of proclaiming a certain > > new-age culture superior to an older one? > > I can=E2=80=99t find how adding consistency is a =E2=80=98new-age culture= =E2=80=99. I suppose you speak a natural language, right? Probably an Asian language I know nothing of. But I suppose it was something akin to symbols/words, though. Would you like it if someone proclaims they have a much more "consistent" set and you must learn it? Or are you perfectly happy with what you've learned from whomever fed you as a baby, maybe even affectionate to it, however "inconsistent" it may be? Do you even question consistency? You shouldn't try change language by decree, is my point. It's a slow process. And who decides "consistency"? Do we even need a string library? I don't think that's "consistent". Aren't strings sequences? Shouldn't we be using a sequences library instead? Why not follow exclusively Common Lisp for "consistency"? Elisp has certainly been culturally closer to it longer than it has to Clojure. Jo=C3=A3o